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Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
(September 4, 2014 at 4:10 pm)Jenny A Wrote:



I already quoted it, it's in Genesis 4:1-2 "Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.” Later she gave birth to his brother Abel."

Later it uses essentially the same language for Seth: "Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, 'God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.'” Genesis 4:25

Cain is Adam's son. The verses in 1 John are obviously metaphorical, not about actual parents:

"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous." 1 John 3:9-12

The genealogies in Luke are irrelevant. So Joseph was supposedly descended from Seth, that doesn't make Cain and his line disappear or change Cain's father. All that is said is that the Hebrews descended from Seth and other peoples from Cain.

The first genealogy I referenced was from the 5th chapter of Genesis.

The Bible clearly makes a distinction between the descendants of Abel and the descendants of Cain.

Genesis 6
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Adam was a son of God, making his children also sons of God. The nature of Cain could not have come from Adam.

Luke 3:38
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

The descendants of Adam were long lived and once the two bloodlines began to mix, it shortened their life expectancy.

Genesis 6
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Also, did not God say to eve that he would put enmity between her seed and the serpents seed? So the serpent clearly had a "seed". If you notice, knowledge came through the line of Cain, they were the inventors and scientists.

Genesis 4
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

(September 4, 2014 at 4:10 pm)Jenny A Wrote:
(September 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: It's very simple, if Cain was Adams son, he would be included in Adam's genealogy. Seth IS recorded in the genealogy.

Nope, Cain is not included because Adam very rightly disowns him. But he is Adam's son. Genesis says so.
Please show where it says in the Bible that Adam disowns Cain as his son.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please! - by Huggy Bear - September 4, 2014 at 7:48 pm

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