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Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
(September 4, 2014 at 1:53 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Um? Are we reading the same Bible? God does not take the life any animal at the moment of the fall, though he did decree that Adam and Eve's life would be hard and that they would be mortal and die. He also curses the serpent and in a just-so sort of passage takes away it's legs. --- Or are you extrapolating from "And the Lord God made garments of skins for Adam and his wife, and clothed them." Genesis 3:21
Extrapolate, uh no. To conclude based on the evidence provided by the net result resulting A&E's new leather digs, yes.Wink

The difference?
To extrapolate more or less means to predict an unknown based on known variables.
1
: to infer (values of a variable in an unobserved interval) from values within an already observed interval
2
a : to project, extend, or expand (known data or experience) into an area not known or experienced so as to arrive at a usually conjectural knowledge of the unknown area <extrapolates present trends to construct an image of the future>
b : to predict by projecting past experience or known data <extrapolate public sentiment on one issue from known public reaction on others>


To conclude
1
obsolete : to shut up : enclose
2
: to bring to an end especially in a particular way or with a particular action <conclude a meeting with a prayer>
3
a : to reach as a logically necessary end by reasoning : infer on the basis of evidence <concluded that her argument was sound>
b : to make a decision about : decide <concluded he would wait a little longer>
c : to come to an agreement on : effect <conclude a sale>

Both definitions were taken from the merrium Webster.

If you do not see the difference in the two, to conclude is to logically come to an end by reasoning. To extrapolate is to make a projection about an unknown based on a know variable.

In this instance reason dictates that if God took the skin of an animal, that animal was sacrificed or died to literally cover the result Of the sin A&E took part in.

To extrapolate is to back into a conclusion starting at the cross and the various texts explaining the importance of a blood sacrifice, and working out way back through the various scripture supporting the stated reasons of God for the blood sacrifice and ending with gen 3:21, by assigning the same meaning that the final sacrifice of Christ, onto the first sacrifice of the animals that gave their skins to cover the sins of the Adam and Eve.
Quote:According to the Bible, God made us. How much more like children is necessary?
Ummm like, what bible are you reading?
Most Christian bibles say as much as 'God created man.' That man's name was Adam.
From Adam's rib, produced Eve. After that He stopped. Everyone else is a reproduction of Adam and Eve.

So again, not born God's Children. We are all son's and daughters of Adam and Eve.
We are not considered God's Children till we elect to be. (Through salvation)

Quote:And, what the heck do you mean about ebolia patients? If your meaning is that God does not tell people how the world works--I agree, the God of the Bible certainly doesn't do that. But he does tell them how to worship him repeatedly, with emphasis, and occasionally set in stone.
umm, no. I don't mean that at all.
What do we do when someone contract this disease?
We quarantine them, we seperate them from the healthy. (The fall of man the exile from the garden.) we are the diseased. Heaven/God is the healthy population. Now how does one get to leave the quarantine area? They are cured and they go through a sterilization/decontamination process. Christ died on the cross, was the cure. We simply have to accept it and go though the decontamination process/accept Christ and live a life dedicated to God.
Quote:No I didn't see Noah. The reviews are not promising. ---- So Cain got a pass so that he could father those other nasty people who didn't get to go in the ark? Seems an odd proceeding.
cain got a pass because he had a role to play in the establishment and history of man.
Quote:"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." 1 John 4:8
Amen, God is love. But again where does it say God is all loving? I can be loving and still not love everyone... The same would seem to be true with God as well because The bible records that there were those in whom God hated. It's a short list, but this would contradict the idea that God must love everyone.

Quote: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
Amen to that too.. But in John 3:16 I see a condition to God's boundless love. Meaning His Love is not for everyone, otherwise everyone would get eternal life. Rather His offer of love/eternal life is only offered to those in whom believe.

Would God destroy those in whom He love in Hell?

Quote:" For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes. He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the alien, giving him food and clothing. And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt." Deuteronomy 10:17-19 "But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness." Psalm 86:15
Who wrote the psalms?
Answer: God's chosen people. Therefore the subject of the love expressed here was written to the Jew. Their could be an argument made to include the Christian, but certainly not the unbeliever/those who hate God.. Or do I need to google the verse that describes blessing found in smashing Babylonian babies against rocks verse found in the same book of psalms?

In truth an Omni benevolent God is a creation of the Roman Catholic Church, a creation not supported by scripture.
If you want to talk the Roman Catholic version of God know you have valid points. However if your talking the God of the bible your arguement falls short of His basic comprehension.
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