Are Theists Illogical for Believing in God?

[The_Flying_Skeptic]

Well, a startling find with the discovery of quantum mechanics seems to suggest that this indeed is the case. At the quantum level of our very own universe even countability breaks down due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. In this realm a different logic, quantum logic, is used to describe the phenomena.

I don't see any reason of bringing quantum physics here, it only appears magical to public.
Same math axioms and theorems are used in quantum physics, you can see that in any physics book.
There is no 'our realm' and quantum realm, every macroscopic event can be explained by quantum physics, but the classical physics is used for that because it's simpler and gives a fair approximate answer.

This is not an argument that suggests some mystical phenomenon from QM. All I say is that QM can be described with a logic that's different from the normal stuff. [/quote ]

[deleted all the useless stuff and added bold emphasis] Whatever logic that was derived, based on, or refers to quantum mechanics was derived from 'normal logic' and that is what Ramsin said in slightly different words.

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One way of looking at it might be this:

Any system of logic has axioms. These are statements that are assumed to be true, and cannot be deduced from within the system.

A particular set of axioms applies within our universe- for example, the axiom of equality (x = x). The axioms that apply in our universe produce a logic that applies in our universe.

However, the set of axioms that apply in our universe is a very small sub-set of the total set of possible axioms.

There is no real reason at all to think that the axioms that apply in our universe will necessarily apply in other universes. Other universes may have the same, or different axioms to ours, or indeed no axioms at all (why not?).

As I said before, we find it difficult, if not impossible, to conceive of what those other, very different, universes would be like. But so what? Since when was possibility limited by the human imagination?

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logics is abstract from any reality (any universe), thus logics is applicable in any universe. i said that a universe or a reality may exist of just beach balls but that is only 'logically possible' under the premise that 'anything is possible'; however, this universe is not illogical simply because it only contains beachballs. an illogical universe is a universe where logical arguments may not be formed and that's impossible. x = x applies in any universe. i guess you could say x=x is transuniversal.