(September 6, 2014 at 1:15 am)Riketto Wrote:(September 5, 2014 at 10:05 am)Tobie Wrote: Really? After all this time, people still try and use this? Agnostic, or weak, atheists are making no claim, so we have nothing to prove. Gnostic atheists and theists are making a claim, so do.
Wait a minute Tobie.
In this dictionary it say................Atheism........Critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or divine beings. Unlike agnosticism, which leaves open the question of whether there is a God, atheism is a positive denial.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
.........so a positive denial require a positive evidence.
Oh, now you say that your understanding of atheism does not require any evidence so what shell i do?
Shell i tell the encyclopedia that they are talking bullshit?
Did you read the same thing I did? First non-archaic usage on the page; disbelief, i.e not a belief. Denial of beliefs is not a claim either. This is the most inclusive definition of atheism. Gnostic atheists have the same burden of proof as theists do, but gnostic atheists are not all atheists, or the majority. You are the one claiming there is a god therefore you have to prove it.
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