RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 6, 2014 at 1:54 pm
(This post was last modified: September 6, 2014 at 1:57 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(September 5, 2014 at 3:47 pm)Jenny A Wrote: *sigh* Just read the text. Nowhere does it say that Eve slept with the serpent. It does say in all translations that Eve's descendants (or seed if you must) and the serpent's will be at odds. If Eve and the serpent produced Cain (not Biblical) than Eve and the Serpent's seed would be the same. Think!Eve and the serpents seed would not be the same because women do not have seed, the seed comes from the man. This is a prophecy, in other words God gave the woman a seed which was Jesus Christ.
(September 5, 2014 at 3:47 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The NRSV and other versions were also translated from the original Hebrew. But the KJ is hardly the latest or the greatest and was translated with a heavy bias--not to mention it's use of archaic English terms such as seed for descendants and knew instead of sex, etc. Read a Jewish translation or the NRSV--also both from Hebrew.
The NRSV has added 18 extra books to the Bible (even the Catholic version hasn't gone that crazy), I think its disqualified on that alone.
(September 5, 2014 at 3:47 pm)Jenny A Wrote: As to angels read the whole section, then tell me who the Nephilim are. I don't give a damn whether god redeems them.
Quote:There are effectively two views regarding the identity of the nephilim, which follow on from alternative views about the identity of the sons of God (Bənê hāʼĕlōhîm):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim
Offspring of Seth: The Qumran (Dead Sea Scroll) fragment 4Q417 (4QInstruction) contains the earliest known reference to the phrase "children of Seth", stating that God has condemned them for their rebellion. Other early references to the offspring of Seth rebelling from God and mingling with the daughters of Cain, are found in rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, Augustine of Hippo, Julius Africanus, and the Letters attributed to St. Clement. It is also the view expressed in the modern canonical Amharic Ethiopian Orthodox Bible.
Offspring of angels: A number of early sources refer to the "sons of heaven" as angels. The earliest such references seem to be in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Greek, and Aramaic Enochic literature, and in certain Ge'ez manuscripts of 1 Enoch (mss A–Q) and Jubilees used by western scholars in modern editions of the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha. Some Christian apologists, such as Tertullian and especially Lactantius, shared this opinion. The earliest statement in a secondary commentary explicitly interpreting this to mean that angelic beings mated with humans can be traced to the rabbinical Targum Pseudo-Jonathan and it has since become especially commonplace in modern-day Christian commentaries.
Take your pick, but they both go back to antiquity. However, unless you follow the orthodox standard, it's angels not the sons of Seth.
"Other early references to the offspring of Seth rebelling from God and mingling with the daughters of Cain"
Haven't I been saying this whole time that the "sons of God" were the descendants of Adam? the "offspring of Seth" would be Adams descendants.
(September 5, 2014 at 3:47 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Cain's descendants are all Adam's descendants because Cain is Adam's son. Cain are Seth are both Adam's sons as was the childless Abel. Adam also had other sons and daughters. Genesis 5:4. Chapter 4 lists Cain's descendants and Chapter 5 lists Seth's. Neither lists the descendants of Adam's other sons and daughters.
The Bible makes a clear distinction between the "sons of God" and "daughters of man". Your own evidence says that the "sons of God" were the children of Seth. If the Blood line of Cain and Seth were the same, Why would God be angry at them mixing?