(March 18, 2013 at 6:07 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Part IWell actually this very premise might be physically wrong. According to general relativity you can't really define a function of time to the whole universe, as relativity actually states time flows diferently at different locations of the universe, depending on gravity (distortion of spacetime) and speed of the object.
Premises
I’ll only use Axioms about time & universe
1. The Universe is dynamic and each second will take a new state
so its states can be represented by a function of time U(t) ≠U(t+1)
So there's no such thing as t --> t+1 linear time function in the universe , since in fact in some places of the universe it went from like t--> t+0,1, others jumped from like t --> t+2 and many in between.
in a same apparent referential time rate.
(March 18, 2013 at 6:07 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: 2. Time is a conceptual frame of reference; i.e. a relation between two events;This is true, but you must consider that it just work when we're talking about a referential time frame of Earth that we all percieve about the same.
• Event 1: a consistent (as we assume) set of repeated events we use as a reference (e.g. clock ticks, radiation, moon cycle, etc.)
• Event 2: an event that we are trying to measure in reference to event(s) 1 (e.g. a car trip, age, etc.)
But in fact i would add that "time" is directly correlated not only with events, but with their density. The more events "happening" at the same time, the slower time flows, as if that part of the universe was under "lag" at that spot.
(March 18, 2013 at 6:07 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: 3. Assuming that time is infinite t ɛ { -∞, -∞+1, ……, 0, 1, 2, 3, … ,∞-1,∞}Matematically time is more simillar with the set of Real numbers, and not Natural numbers. We just happen to measure time by a natural rate, but it doesn't mean it isn't actually "continuous".
Between 1 second you can contain an eternity if you have infinite spacetime distortion (blackholes)
And don't put -∞+1 and the sorts into that, since it represents nothing. ∞+1 = ∞ always.
Infinity wouldn't be infinity if you can add a finite number to have a "bigger" number, because infinity isn't actually a number, infinity is a concept of "greater" than any finite sum or set of natural numbers.
(March 18, 2013 at 6:07 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: 4. Defining two sets of the Universe states in the pastThe very function you're trying to define yourself is not well defined.
Set 1: All Statuses separated from (1/1/2000 00:00:00) by a finite number of seconds
Set 2: All Statuses separated from (1/1/2000 00:00:00) by an infinite number of seconds
S1= {U(1), U(2), ….}, S2={U(-∞), U(-∞+1), U(-∞+2),….}
Each set can have (Finite, Infinite or 0) number of members
So the options are:
1. S1 = ɸ (i.e. it is empty)
False, as it contradicts with the ability to measure (time/seconds)
2. S1 has infinite no. of elements
False, as it contradicts with the definition of Set 1; it has only Statuses separated by a finite number of seconds so it must have a finite No. of elements.
3. S1 is finite & S2≠ɸ
False: it means that Set 1 has a last point where next points are away by an infinite time/seconds, but as the next point is separated by an extra 1 second, that point does not exist
4. S1≠ɸ & S2= ɸ
which is the only true and possible option
You can't separate "infinity" from finite, as entry to a function, and U(infinite+n) can not be in itself a "finite" ammount of infinities too. Infinite is infinite, there's no such thing as finite ammounts of infinity, since infinity in itself is an infinite ammount of infinity. So obviously if you consider there is at least 1 "infinite point in time" than there exists "infinite infinitys by necessity"
(March 18, 2013 at 6:07 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: 2. S1 has infinite no. of elementsThis again, is not true. Time being "continuos" and with different time rates than referentials. And if time is infinite, S1 must necessarily have infinite points as a function of it, and obviously an infinite ammount of images.
False, as it contradicts with the definition of Set 1; it has only Statuses separated by a finite number of seconds so it must have a finite No. of elements.
Also let's say an object within a infinitelly strong spacetime distortion, will not only have 1 position within a time "frame" but several of them, possibly infinite positions within the blackhole (a spaghettification for example)
(March 18, 2013 at 6:07 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: 3. S1 is finite & S2≠ɸS1 is finite and S2 is infinite. Your function is still endomorphic so you're defining
False: it means that Set 1 has a last point where next points are away by an infinite time/seconds, but as the next point is separated by an extra 1 second, that point does not exist
4. S1≠ɸ & S2= ɸ
which is the only true and possible option
S1:
IN |---> S1(IN) € K^n(IN) in which n is all the number of states possible
x ---> (a(x),b(x),c(x), ... an(x), bn(x), cn(x),....) € U(x)
S2:
∞ |---> S2(∞) € K^n(∞)
∞ ---> ( ak(∞), bk(∞), ... ) in which k € (IR U {∞}) ( due to continuos effective time)
In fact you always have endomorphic aspect of the function, in which the dimension of output is in fact equal or higher than the dimension of input.
So in conclusion, the reality is that S1 is finite and S2 is infinite.
(March 18, 2013 at 6:07 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Part IIThis is aprioristical nonsense.
Then to prove the necessity for a creator
Assuming that Existence E=U+G where U is the universe and G is another object/deity (which can be 0 )
(E = Existence, U=Known Universe, G=something external to the universe)
According to Axiom 1; the universe states are dynamic not constant
As the universe is part of the existence (or all of it) then Existence is dynamic as well (i.e. can be represented by a function)
E(t)=U(t)+G
In addition as proved time itself had a start which means that that the universe state U(0) was not a function at all it was either nothing or a constant; taking Limit as t-->0 U=C or U= 0
As U(0) was constant then G must exist and be dynamic as well G≠0 Ʌ G=G(p)
The correct formula should be E(t,p)=T U(t)+G(p); p is another parameter that changes the states of G
A complete Universe function must include another parameter to change from constant to dynamic at t=0 E(0,p)=C+G(p)
It should be E(t,p)=T U(t)+G(p)
G must exist and did created/changed the universe at its beginning
We can call this parameter the actions of a creator (G)
(This part is a proof by contradiction, based on the definition of
static vs. dynamic (constant vs. variable))