(September 8, 2014 at 6:34 pm)Drich Wrote: I totally get what you were trying to say. That is why I backed out of the direction you were going and re-established some common ground that all Christians would agree on.
Yeah, they all do that, then they start to say things that they don't agree on.
As soon as you try to water it down to "love God and love people", you end up with some Christians saying that we should let God deal with homosexuals on his own terms and others saying that you can't love God if you let gay people get married.
It sounds great when you first say it, but then it becomes meaningless and in-actionable as soon as you put it under any scrutiny.
(September 8, 2014 at 6:34 pm)Drich Wrote: First the defination of doctrine, and second where to find the doctrine of Christ.
Therefore If said doctrine can be found in the gospel then it is indeed a doctrine of Christ.
So, flip tables over if someone offends you? That's in the gospels. Seriously, you have to narrow it down if it's going to be of any use. Sure, you can argue context, and many people will, and that's why you get so many different sects withing the religion.
(September 8, 2014 at 6:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Now because we are all different with different concerns we will focus on different parts of Christ's doctrine.
This goes back to what Paul said in corthinians, in that we are all different members of the same body, as such we have a different appearance and different function, even so we are no less apart of the body of Christ.
In short you are looking for a jumpsuit theology. One all encompassing uniform that covers everything. When Christianity is more like individually made articles of clothing. Tailored to form fit indivisual body parts. Just because you examine a 'glove' from one Christian and a hat or a sock from another does not make those articals any less tailored for the body of Christ.
So, there is no one doctrine that people can use, then?
See, this is what I mean when I talk about it being a platitude: you start out making a statement that sounds actionable, then you water it down to the point where no one can agree what it even means, and then call that a feature, not a bug. It's a feature in that it makes you feel good to say it, but not in any way that could be useful to someone listening to it.
(September 8, 2014 at 6:45 pm)Diablo Wrote: You want people to get AIDS?!? Why?
He wants God to cause a problem for you so you'll go to him to fix it. It's a more visceral reskinning of the whole original sin/salvation motif.
