Platitudes

[Drich]

Hey, the threads are there for all to see, in your very own words. Ah, but I'm tickling your martyr chip, aren't I?

Oh, and incidentally: I try not to pass judgements. As a wise fellow once said, "Don't judge me before you learn the full story. And when you have learned the full story, who the fuck are you to judge me?"

Kinda ironic since you did not post the full context in which my posts were taken. And yet you've made your judgement against selective excerpts of what I have said, and what I was trying to do..

Too bad you didn't seem to get that your wise friend's words cut both ways.

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Yeah, they all do that, then they start to say things that they don't agree on.

again we are all of the same body, but made up of different parts. We do not have all the same function, therefore we will focus on what we are made to deal with.

That is why I narrowed the discussion parameters to defining the word doctrine and the source material to find said doctrine. All members of the body of Christ will agree on. Once a doctrine deviates from either one of those two parameters it ceases being a doctrine of Christ.

As soon as you try to water it down to "love God and love people", you end up with some Christians saying that we should let God deal with homosexuals on his own terms and others saying that you can't love God if you let gay people get married.

and that is why your interpretation here is not a doctrine of Christ. The command is to love God with all of your being and love your neighbor as yourself.

To love everyone means what ever you want it to mean, but as Christ commands to love your neighbor as yourself is to hold your neighbor to the same standards and even restrictions as you place on yourself.

The command Christ gives is not one of allowing your love for your neighbor to exceed the love you have been given that has manifest in the love you have for yourself.

It sounds great when you first say it, but then it becomes meaningless and in-actionable as soon as you put it under any scrutiny.

maybe that is why you boiled Gods command down from what Christ actually said to 'love God/love self.'

So, flip tables over if someone offends you? That's in the gospels.

the context of the offense dictates one response. Christ was offended many times personally, he in most cases taught through example to turn the other cheek. And other times when defending his ministry/work he was out right combative and called out the Pharisees for being hypocritical. When God was offended he fashioned a whip of cords and turned over the money changers tables.

Your looking to paint with a broad brush and cover an instance that will always be true. When the opposite is true. Your looking to put Christianity or rather the doctrines of Christ into the same format as the rest of man's religions, and it will not work. As it does not work that way, because biblical Christianity is about freedom, not laws on top of laws.

Seriously, you have to narrow it down if it's going to be of any use. Sure, you can argue context, and many people will, and that's why you get so many different sects withing the religion.

see above. Biblical Christianity is about freedom.

So, there is no one doctrine that people can use, then?

Christ summed up the whole law in Love God with all of your being and your neighbor as yourself.

See, this is what I mean when I talk about it being a platitude: you start out making a statement that sounds actionable, then you water it down to the point where no one can agree what it even means, and then call that a feature, not a bug. It's a feature in that it makes you feel good to say it, but not in any way that could be useful to someone listening to it.

you assume too much