The redneck strike again.

[Mister Agenda]

Atheism establish that God does not exist so it is up to you to come down with positive proof that God is not there.

Atheism does NOT establish that God does not exist, nor does it claim to. Atheism is the state of not holding any belief in a supernatural deity, not a claim that no such deity exists. A claim that no such deity exists would resemble this: 'No such deity exists.'.

I understand that there are also people that don't give a damn whether God exist or not and there are also people that don't believe until proof of God existence are there so all depend where you are with your belief or not belief.

Good. Now you need to understand that many of the former are atheists, and all of the latter are.

If you say that God does not exist it is you that got to come down with proof if on the other hand you got different ideas then it is all up in the air.

Why don't you go find someone who says God does not exist, then? Exactly who here is making that claim?

My explanation that God exist is based on logic but again as God can not be expressed physically all proof lies on developing spirituality which of course is something far far away from physical-material evidence.

Your explanation is based on bad logic. Your evidence is indistinguishable from self-deception.

Ignorance it is like asking a plumber to fix a door that is a carpenter job.

It's also like claiming someone else being wrong makes you right.

In the same way you can not understand that to have evidence of God require spirituality and not a material-physical tool.
Until you will use the wrong tool it is obvious that you will not get anywhere in that sense.

When I see people using the same 'truth-finding' tools and coming up with contradictory answers, it's reasonable to conclude that they're using the wrong tools for the job. What people find on their 'spiritual journeys' seems to always match their expectations closely.

Again by not using the correct tool to understand how spirituality works you will not get anywhere.

How do you know you're using the correct tool?

How do you know that i don't know what i am talking about?

It's not the sort of thing that's knowable. 'Guessable' is closer to the mark. Every mystic thinks their 'tool' works, even if it's different from what other mystics use and even if it leads them to different conclusions. There's a personality type that lends itself to being a mystic: fantasy-prone.

It is rather you that pretend to understand something using the wrong tool.

There's no way of knowing whether the tool you're using is right or not. 'It leading me to the conclusions I already want to reach' is definitely a bad sign.

Keep on holding your breath.

That would likely result in my demise, so no thank you. And I advise against making such suggestions.

Maybe one day in the next 1000 lives someone will put a red carpet so you may walk straight to God without first having to go through the hard work.
Sometime people get the free manna from the sky.

Maybe the sun will be covered in blue and purple check marks tomorrow. You can 'maybe' anything.

Rather than trying to convince anyone i try to reason so the challenge make me feel good.
It is like doing physical exercise to keep fit.

If you exercise incorrectly, it will make you less fit in the long run.

I heard that before and then i see people that after they struggle to buy a new car they wish they could have waited few more days and get instead a new model that just came out after they already bought a car.
Anyone saying that they are not interested in something infinite lie to themselves.

Anyone who assumes their interlocuters are dishonest in their disagreements is dishonest at heart. As a rule, it's liars who are the first to think someone is lying.

The point is that you can not dismiss that God is at the end of human evolution until you got clear evidence.

I can dismiss any positive claim that isnt't supported by evidence and sound logic on the grounds that it isn't supported by evidence and sound logic.

There is the conscious mind and the unconscious mind.
Your conscious mind hasn't yet reach the stage in which there is enough spiritual understanding but your unconscious mind has that is why you are continually motivated to go ahead even if you don't know yet where it will bring you.

Are your magical powers of spiritual awakening good for anything other than making things up to reassure you of your superiority?

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After people in this forum come down with statements that deny the existence of God i challenge them to give evidence of their believes.
Is this wrong?

If it's not true, it's wrong. Who came forth with statements that deny the existence of God? Which forum contributors are you talking about?

Why post in a forum when you are not interested in the issue?

Why post in a forum when you don't understand the issue?

I did asked how it is possible to get God manifested (as evidence of his existence) when you don't give a damn about him?

How is it possible for anyone to know that? One would have to know the properties of God prior to being able to answer the question. You seem to think God can't manifest to people who don't care if God exists, but why couldn't it? Not much of a God that isn't able to show itself to people who don't already believe in it.

This would be a good starting point to discuss the issue but no one show any interest.

It was a nearly unfathomably horrible starting point. We don't believe the God you're talking about is real. What's the point of asking us questions about your particular version of God? We don't think it's real and most of us don't think faith or wishing or meditation is a way to get information about anything except what's in your own brain. There's not much more for us to say about YOUR version of God. It's YOUR version, YOU make up stuff about it.

So what you do in a forum that deal with the existence or not of God when you have no interest in it?

I have no idea, as that is not really the purpose of this forum. It's a community. We talk about all kinds of stuff. If there's a philosophy most of us hold in common, it's rational empiricism. Many of us are interested in whether there's evidence for the existence of a deity which it would be rational to believe. That's the kind of thing the deifically curious among us are interested in, not claims that can't be distinguished from imagination.