Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!

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I find it a little ironic that your version of the story is angels coming down and having sex with humans, while I'm saying that it was the Descendants of Adam, yet my version is the insane one.

Obviously whatever happened had something to do with genetics because Giants were produced, where did these giants come from? We determined by your own evidence that is was not angels, so that leave only one place you can go.

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The giants? From sleeping with angels obviously. But if, as you say, Cain's descendants sleeping with Seth's descendants were the cause, then either Seth or Cain would have had to have been taller than those giants of old--it really is simple genetics.

Not necessarily, as I have stated, hybridization occurred between the human seed and the serpent seed, Cain didn't necessarily have to be a giant in order for his descendants to be giants.

If we look at the Liger for example, which is produced by crossbreeding a male lion with a female tiger, they produce gigantic offspring known as the Liger.

the typical lion weighs around 550 lbs while the Liger weighs 900.

Sorry: not willing to consider the New Testament when interpreting the Old Testament's meaning.

I didn't realize we were in the Judaism forum.

Since we are in the christian forum, then yes you do have to consider the whole Bible since it is the final (and should be the only) authority when it comes to doctrine in the church.

The Old and New Testaments run in direct continuity with each other, and in case you haven't figured it out, the whole Bible is about Jesus Christ, Which is why he stated:

John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I could explain many of the stories in the Old Testament, and show you in what way relate to Jesus, but I feel it would be a huge waste of time, and I've already covered this in other threads.

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Which brings us back to the garden of Eden.
The reason it is written in this manner instead of coming out and explaining it in plain language, is because it is also using the story as a foreshadowing of the crucifixion of Jesus. In Eden we have the Tree of Life and the Tree of Good and Evil, and when Adam and Eve fell, God expelled them from Eden "lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:".
As we see here, God placed an Angel to block the way to the tree of life.

This punishment was only to last for a certain period of time until the birth of Jesus Christ.

Not only is Jesus the way back to eternal life, he IS the Tree of Life. Does not the Bible refer the the Crucifix as a tree?


So therefore Jesus dying on the "tree" grants us eternal life, making him the Tree of Life. The picture is not complete however because there was also the Tree of Good and Evil, Which brings us to Judas who being a hypocrite (both good and evil) also hung himself from a tree.

Now do you see the whole picture?

If the Bible came out plainly and told you it was a sexual act, it breaks the whole foreshadowing of the crucifixion.

Everyone is not able to see it that way, which is why "revelation" is required, then your eyes are opened to see things everyone else misses.

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Ah we aren't told so people won't know too soon. Or in other words hogwash. But it does explain why I disagree so strongly with you about what the text of Genesis actually says. You are supposing that the New Testament can rewrite it. It can't. It says what is says.

Not at all, I'm saying the New Testament is confirming the same thing as the Old Testament, you need both the get the complete picture. For example, did you know that the life of Joseph in the Old Testament parallels the life of Jesus exactly?