(September 14, 2014 at 12:20 pm)ShaMan Wrote:(September 13, 2014 at 11:43 pm)Harris Wrote: On the other hand, I believe that whole structure of morals in secularism is based on the religious teachings because only it is religion that had given knowledge on human values in a systematic manner and people have enjoyed the wisdom of morals based on religion throughout the human history.No, you have it all quite backwards. Evolutionary Human morality was abducted by religion, packaged for sale, and sold to those who knew not what they already had. It is religions that are freeloading off of secularism, and not the other way around as you have stated. In the real model, religions are, to use your stab, the 'transgressors'.
A fact that even a single good goddamn second of thought would have revealed, unless Harris is actually saying that until religion was invented- and these specific modern versions specifically- people were okay with stealing and murder and all that.
Of course, history would prove him wrong on that claim too, since there are plenty of secular moral codes written sometimes literally in stone that both predate the major religions of today, and cover much the same ground. But then, again, knowing that would have required Harris to do any research at all before he opened his mouth.

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