Of Holes and A-Holes

[downbeatplumb]

I say that holes are a good example of something that both exists and is immaterial.

A hole is the description of a gap in something. It is not a thing in it's own right.

A hole is known with respect to something material but is not itself material. It is possible to know about something that is indeed immaterial through observation of something that is material. As such a hole is defined by what surrounds it, but the hole itself is not the same as the surrounding material.

A hole is an attribute of the material not a separate thing as you are somewhat mystifyingly claiming. In order to have a hole in something you need that thing.

The main concern I have with bringing this up is to show that someone can deduce the existence of immaterial things from material things. Likewise people can deduce the existence of material objects from personal experience which is not a material thing. Thus people can go back and forth trying to define material things, like brains, and immaterial things, like minds, in terms of the other without reaching any conclusion as to which is primary. They thus remain forever stuck in paradox. (No matter, never mind) The simpler solution is to accept both materiality and immateriality are part of one larger reality that is a hypostatic union of both.

Not this again.

Holes, and similar things like gaps and tears, do not depend on specific substances for their existence. This property allows people to say things like, this hole in the metal is the same size as that hole in this paper. If you insist that holes do not properly exist, then you simultaneously and tacit deny the existence of other forms, like triangles, and categories, like unity and extension.

You are really trying to try and shoehorn in the possibility of non-material things being in some sense real and not just handy descriptions of things. You have yet again failed to make any headway in this.

I am making my hand into a hole shape with my thumb and first two fingers now I am making a pumping motion. What does this mean?