(September 17, 2014 at 8:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote:(September 17, 2014 at 8:42 pm)snowtracks Wrote: “The universe was framed by God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.” that means no space, time, matter, and energy. --- it's called creation ex nihilo (latin for “creation from nothing”).
So magic, then?
'magic' connotes deception, 'then' that's the wrong word. we know that the random universe generator or whatever your ilk believes in didn't do it because beings have the potential capability to reflect back upon it, but it has no capability to reflect on us. the mind has an infinite order of magnitude greater than matter. matter cannot generate mind.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.