RE: Rant against anti-atheist agnostics.
September 22, 2014 at 4:24 pm
(This post was last modified: September 22, 2014 at 4:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 22, 2014 at 4:10 pm)Michael B Wrote: On the vicarious nature of redemption, back on page 2, some (actually many) Christians have held to a moral influence view of the cross, where Jesus is leading the way in rejection of sin and violence. In this case Jesus points towards a sacrifice we all make (the rejection of violence, even in response to evil). This view of the cross has a very long history in the Church (it is a much more traditional view than 'Penal substitution', for example).I was kind of hoping that you'd find your way to this thread Michael. Under this view, would it be fair to say that the crucifixion (and christ) was not and is not required for redemption (or even more explicitly, that "redemption" isn;t even a factor...all that is required is that one lead a good life)? It's dissappointing to me, btw, that this wasn't the direction that the church went (just had a convo about that in another thread actually). How about you, is this your preferred concept, or, at the least, one which you find to be more acceptable than ransom, sub, etc -if not specifically preferred?
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