RE: Rant against anti-atheist agnostics.
September 25, 2014 at 12:10 pm
(This post was last modified: September 25, 2014 at 12:30 pm by fr0d0.)
(September 25, 2014 at 6:59 am)whateverist Wrote: I don't think sin - wrong thoughts or actions (?) - are what drains life. Life for creatures such as ourselves is simply not limitless. We live quite a long life for a mammal of our proportions.
We are very complex creatures socially and psychologically. We have competing desires and interests. We can never have 'it all' because what we would want would include that which is incompatible. You would call that imperfection. I just call it life .. and I'm grateful for it on its own terms. I don't seek more.
No I don't call those imperfections either. I agree. That's just life.
No, I'm talking about what hinders your current actions. What prevents you functioning to your full potential. The cumulative effect is draining I guess.
(September 25, 2014 at 7:08 am)Brakeman Wrote:(September 25, 2014 at 4:18 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes. Like Rhythm, you seem to completely misunderstand. It's rhythms debt just as it is yours and mine. Because we're all flawed humans.
No I'm not misunderstanding you, I realize that you are trying to avoid explaining your first premise, that a debt is owed. I say no debt is owed just as in my fence work example. I didn't promise god I wouldn't do whatever the hell I wanted. I made no contract with him. I don't benefit from matching his wishes as I don't believe he exists. Furthermore, his heaven is just as bad as any hell to me. From a legal sense no debt is owed and from a moral sense no debt is owed. He didn't create me directly, my parents fucking did, so I don't owe him anything. Only in your con story does this "debt" exist and you need to sell us this bag-o-shit so that all your other woo cures make any sense.
Yeah, you're lost in the dogma, where I'm talking about our general condition as humans. Humans aren't perfect, and like it or not, you're part of the club.
(September 25, 2014 at 9:48 am)Rhythm Wrote: that's the only failing that you have, that I need to know about, for the purposes of this discussion.
Right so you're not interested in the subject, just the by product. And you expect to get some understanding from this peep hole?
Yeah we're all hunky dory. None of us are starving and life is good. What possibly could be wrong.
All of us are limiting ourselves somehow r. That's just the way we're made. That's the error that this sacrifice fixes. I'm sick of your big man, I'm strong enough to take all this on myself act. Have some humility.
(September 25, 2014 at 10:37 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I fail to see how nailing some poor schmuck to a cross does anything for me.
You don't lose. I don't lose. Perfect solution.
Would you want to understand or would you rather remain in ignorance?
I suppose rhythms stance is...
1. He doesn't understand why it would be necessary
2. He finds the idea of sacrifice undermines his independence
I guess #2 is dependent on #1.
