(September 25, 2014 at 4:22 am)robvalue Wrote: I know that the god as described by most christians (omnipotent, omniscient and entirely good) cannot exist, because it is self contradictory. It's an absolutely ludicrous concept. In relations to claims such as that, I'd go further to say I am a gnostic atheist. (Gnostic in this case excluding the ever present but useless concept of solipsism.)
Atheist don't need saving, because they do not impose upon themself the idea are full of sin, like christians do. Sin is a religious concept only, religion causes the sickness then offers the cure. As Dan Barker said in a marvelous video I watched last night, if religion is the cure, atheism is the prevention. And anyhow, you're being saved from god, the guy is offering to save you from himself, his wrath and disgusting need to torture people because they disagree or don't believe in him.
This is a hilarious clip from that video, which shows just how ridiculous the idea of sin and "being saved" is:
I don't think the video is hilarious. I think it's stupid. If hell exists, you can't avoid it just by not believing in it. I'm your king and you break one of the laws I have established for my kingdom. I sentence you to execution, but decide to have mercy on you and execute my son in your place. Did I save you from execution or not? It doesn't matter who made the law or built the execution chamber. I saved you from a just punishment.
