Thunderf00t vs. Feminism

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I think the point Godslayer was trying to make was that feminism is supposed to be about gender equality and yet it would appear that they only focus on female issues when they should be focusing on both.

I don't think repeating the fallacious argument makes it any better. Interest groups specialize, they are allowed to, and the mere fact that they opt to do so rather than spreading themselves thin by addressing every tangentially related issue does not invalidate their central tenets.

In this case, feminism finds its roots in a time and place where there were very real inequalities for women that needed to be addressed, and the movement was established to do so. It is a gender equality movement with a specific focus on those areas where things are unequal for women; having that particular focus does not entail an automatic lack of care for inequality toward men. It's just not germane to this particular group.

I find it kinda odd that I even need to explain this, really. You're in an atheist forum, surely you've seen the responses to the oft repeated "atheists deny god!" claim; not being actively involved in one thing does not mean you should leap to the contra-positive. Why would it be any different here? Again, this is exactly like scoffing at cancer research because where are those cancer doctors now that there's an ebola outbreak?

It is quite understandable for feminists to be outraged at something sexist on tv or at work when it is to do with women, but they never seem to even notice or address the issues men have. When was the last time you saw Anita Sarkeesian or any prominent feminist campaigning for men to get equal custody of a child or for men and women to get the same prison sentence for the same crime?

Earlier this year, I think? I wish I could find the article, but right now even the correct search terms elude me. The point is, as I've pointed out numerous times- and I'm not the only one to do this in feminist media, so your inability to see it does not reflect the paucity of reference material- that addressing widely held thinking regarding gender roles the way feminism seeks to also has positive knock-on effects for men. Really think about it: what causes custody inequality for men? At it's root, what's the reasoning that leads to this?

Could it be that women are supposed to be nurturing, motherly, child-rearing figures, while men are supposed to be distant providers, and can't they do that equally well through alimony? And gee, doesn't that seem like a piece of that "women's work" crap that feminism seeks to erase?

It's the same with the prison time thing: why would it be that women get lighter sentencing? I would bet it has a lot to do with how our culture traditionally views male and female agency, and also their respective abilities to handle harsh environments like prison. Seems like feminism is trying to correct that sort of imbalance too.

When did you last hear them complaining about objectification of men?

Do you seriously think that this is a problem in modern society? I mean, do you actually think that this is a widespread issue, rather than this just being a grasping-at-straws kind of thing?

Anyone seen Magic Mike?

Because, see, when you go here, it really seems like the latter.

It's a film about male strippers,

Which, in itself, isn't even really an issue. Sexual content isn't the same as sexual objectification, even if the idea of men's bodies being displayed for a female gaze might make you uncomfortable. That said, no, I haven't seen Magic Mike; my point here is that "it's a movie about male strippers," is not a point of objectification in isolation.

can you imagine the feminists backlash if it was a film about female strippers? And yet we hear nothing from them.

Uh... do you... I mean... Do you know just how many movies there are exactly about female strippers to this one about male strippers? Surely you can see that this is something of a reach, to make this seem like it's any kind of pressing or widespread issue?