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Poll: Who do you think is right?
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Thunderf00t
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Feminists
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5 27.78%
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Thunderf00t vs. Feminism
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RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism
(September 26, 2014 at 11:01 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: So feminists don't have to address all inequality, just that of women, ok. Then who is addressing inequality men face?

Did you just... not read the rest of my post? Thinking

Quote: I'm confused because the constant feminist chant is 'equal rights for all' p.s. lets only focus on women though. I don't think there should be a feminist movement or the opposite for men (whatever that is). There should just be one movement.

I believe the "pro-men's rights" specific gender equality movement is just kinda called "western society." I know and fully acknowledge that things aren't perfect for men, but don't you think it's a bit silly to be sitting here acting as though the two sets of problems are remotely equal, even if the feminist side weren't also attempting changes that would benefit men too?

The problem here is that you're approaching this kind of societal change as a zero sum game, and it isn't.

Quote:Right, so everything is mens fault. The reason that women get more custody is down to men. See this is why I don't like feminism, everything seems to be mans fault.

Oh, you're just going to strawman me? That's disappointing. Undecided

I never even attributed what I found to be the cause of this exclusively to men, nor am I going to now. Hell, depending on where you want to take the conversation I'd probably even agree that at one point in time the "women as nurturer, men as provider," gender roles had some legitimacy in a pragmatic sense. But things have changed and, unfortunately, some of our thinking hasn't: you say below that this kind of thinking doesn't really exist in the western world anymore, and I'd say that's true, it doesn't exist overtly anymore. But memes don't need to be totally present at surface level to still have hooks in the mind. All I know is that, logically speaking, there's no reason why men shouldn't have an equal shot at custody of their kids, without factoring in some form of preconception tampering with the reasoning process. And it sure as hell isn't overt favoritism toward women, I'll tell you that much.

Quote:Yep and its mens fault again for the way our culture is.

It's actually really disappointing watching you being this childish.

Quote:No I don't think it is a problem, the same as I don't think objectification of women is a problem and yet that is all Sarkeesian can seem to talk about.

Who gives a fuck about Anita Sarkeesian? Since when was she the entirety of feminism? And also, who cares if it is what she talks about? Again, why is specializing bad? If that's the topic she wants to cover, then that's the topic she's going to cover: regardless of the quality of her arguments (personally I think she's a mixed bag there) it's an absurd overreach to take one series of videos that one person is doing as their next project, and then extrapolating that as the singular work of an entire movement she happens to be identified with.

It'd be roughly the same as me taking your username and the picture of Groot you're using as an avatar and deciding because of those two things that all Doctor Who fans are completely obsessed with Groot.

Quote:I was pointing out hypocrisy.

No, you're manufacturing hypocrisy to point out, mostly by willfully misinterpreting the actual objection to sexual content.
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Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by KentuckySkeptic224 - September 23, 2014 at 10:20 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Valkyrie - September 23, 2014 at 10:23 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Esquilax - September 23, 2014 at 10:28 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by KentuckySkeptic224 - September 23, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Dolorian - September 23, 2014 at 10:58 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Valkyrie - September 23, 2014 at 11:00 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Darkstar - September 24, 2014 at 12:48 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Ben Davis - September 24, 2014 at 6:42 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Lemonvariable72 - September 24, 2014 at 12:53 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by MJ the Skeptical - September 24, 2014 at 1:27 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Alex K - September 24, 2014 at 2:08 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Lemonvariable72 - September 24, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by DeistPaladin - September 24, 2014 at 5:06 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Lemonvariable72 - September 24, 2014 at 6:14 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 25, 2014 at 5:24 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Ben Davis - September 25, 2014 at 5:47 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Brakeman - September 25, 2014 at 6:44 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Ben Davis - September 25, 2014 at 11:23 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by DeistPaladin - September 25, 2014 at 8:28 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Lemonvariable72 - September 25, 2014 at 9:46 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by MJ the Skeptical - September 25, 2014 at 4:28 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by CapnAwesome - September 23, 2014 at 10:41 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Valkyrie - September 23, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Jackalope - September 23, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Aoi Magi - September 23, 2014 at 11:50 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Losty - September 24, 2014 at 12:18 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Jackalope - September 24, 2014 at 12:32 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 24, 2014 at 5:10 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Little lunch - September 24, 2014 at 6:24 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by DramaQueen - September 24, 2014 at 6:36 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Bad Wolf - September 24, 2014 at 6:38 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 24, 2014 at 6:58 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Brakeman - September 24, 2014 at 7:24 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Little lunch - September 24, 2014 at 7:40 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Brakeman - September 24, 2014 at 7:54 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by DramaQueen - September 24, 2014 at 8:13 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Endo - September 24, 2014 at 8:27 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by DeistPaladin - September 24, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by CapnAwesome - September 24, 2014 at 9:59 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Alex K - September 24, 2014 at 10:17 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by DeistPaladin - September 24, 2014 at 10:21 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by FatAndFaithless - September 24, 2014 at 10:23 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Jenny A - September 25, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Lemonvariable72 - September 25, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Jenny A - September 25, 2014 at 4:20 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Lemonvariable72 - September 24, 2014 at 10:25 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Alex K - September 24, 2014 at 10:43 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Little lunch - September 24, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by FatAndFaithless - September 24, 2014 at 10:52 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by FatAndFaithless - September 24, 2014 at 10:29 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Grand Nudger - September 24, 2014 at 11:50 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by LastPoet - September 24, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by FatAndFaithless - September 24, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by LastPoet - September 24, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by FatAndFaithless - September 24, 2014 at 1:10 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Grand Nudger - September 24, 2014 at 1:27 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by LastPoet - September 24, 2014 at 1:31 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Grand Nudger - September 24, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by LastPoet - September 24, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by MJ the Skeptical - September 24, 2014 at 1:37 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Grand Nudger - September 24, 2014 at 1:42 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Grand Nudger - September 24, 2014 at 2:05 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Grand Nudger - September 24, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Alex K - September 24, 2014 at 2:22 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Grand Nudger - September 24, 2014 at 2:40 pm
Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Bibliofagus - September 25, 2014 at 8:09 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Madness20 - September 25, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Lemonvariable72 - September 25, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Valkyrie - September 25, 2014 at 4:30 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by MJ the Skeptical - September 25, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by The Valkyrie - September 25, 2014 at 10:18 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Esquilax - September 25, 2014 at 11:27 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Alex K - September 26, 2014 at 3:19 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by MJ the Skeptical - September 27, 2014 at 2:44 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Lemonvariable72 - September 25, 2014 at 5:08 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Bad Wolf - September 26, 2014 at 9:01 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Alex K - September 26, 2014 at 9:25 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by DeistPaladin - September 26, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Esquilax - September 26, 2014 at 9:45 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Little lunch - September 26, 2014 at 9:38 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Bad Wolf - September 26, 2014 at 11:01 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Alex K - September 26, 2014 at 11:23 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Esquilax - September 26, 2014 at 11:34 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Bad Wolf - September 26, 2014 at 11:57 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Esquilax - September 26, 2014 at 9:08 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Bad Wolf - September 27, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Natachan - September 26, 2014 at 10:35 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by DramaQueen - September 26, 2014 at 10:39 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Lemonvariable72 - September 26, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Bob Kelso - September 26, 2014 at 9:54 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Little lunch - September 27, 2014 at 10:28 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Bad Wolf - September 27, 2014 at 10:53 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Little lunch - September 27, 2014 at 11:43 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Brakeman - September 27, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Bad Wolf - September 27, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Jenny A - September 27, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Bad Wolf - September 27, 2014 at 10:47 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Madness20 - September 27, 2014 at 10:47 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Brakeman - September 27, 2014 at 10:57 am
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by KentuckySkeptic224 - September 27, 2014 at 12:33 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Little lunch - September 27, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Bad Wolf - September 27, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Little lunch - September 27, 2014 at 2:02 pm
RE: Thunderf00t vs. Feminism - by Jenny A - September 27, 2014 at 11:42 pm

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