Thunderf00t vs. Feminism

[Bad Wolf]

I believe the "pro-men's rights" specific gender equality movement is just kinda called "western society." I know and fully acknowledge that things aren't perfect for men, but don't you think it's a bit silly to be sitting here acting as though the two sets of problems are remotely equal, even if the feminist side weren't also attempting changes that would benefit men too?

In the western world, I don't think women are oppressed at all and all I have seen them do is complain about video games. So yes I do think the two sets of problems are equal.

The problem here is that you're approaching this kind of societal change as a zero sum game, and it isn't.

Well I think it is. A woman can do anything a man can do and actually get special treatment in certain situations.

Right, so everything is mens fault. The reason that women get more custody is down to men. See this is why I don't like feminism, everything seems to be mans fault.

Oh, you're just going to strawman me? That's disappointing.

I'm not strawmanning you, that is exactly what you were implying. Unless you were suggesting that it was societies fault that women get more custody? Oh and don't talk down to me like that, is that ok dad?

I never even attributed what I found to be the cause of this exclusively to men, nor am I going to now.

So there is a cause, you just don't want to say it.

Hell, depending on where you want to take the conversation I'd probably even agree that at one point in time the "women as nurturer, men as provider," gender roles had some legitimacy in a pragmatic sense. But things have changed and, unfortunately, some of our thinking hasn't: you say below that this kind of thinking doesn't really exist in the western world anymore, and I'd say that's true, it doesn't exist overtly anymore. But memes don't need to be totally present at surface level to still have hooks in the mind.

I agree with this.

All I know is that, logically speaking, there's no reason why men shouldn't have an equal shot at custody of their kids, without factoring in some form of preconception tampering with the reasoning process. And it sure as hell isn't overt favoritism toward women, I'll tell you that much.

Then what is if not favouritism?

It's actually really disappointing watching you being this childish.

And again, sorry dad.

Who gives a fuck about Anita Sarkeesian? Since when was she the entirety of feminism? And also, who cares if it is what she talks about? Again, why is specializing bad? If that's the topic she wants to cover, then that's the topic she's going to cover: regardless of the quality of her arguments (personally I think she's a mixed bag there) it's an absurd overreach to take one series of videos that one person is doing as their next project, and then extrapolating that as the singular work of an entire movement she happens to be identified with.

This whole thread started because everyone is saying that TF is somehow wrong to pick on Sarkeesian. And I never said I think all of feminism is like her. But she is the only voice you hear when feminism is involved. The only thing I've heard recently that wasn't her or some other fanatic was Emma Watson, and all that was was a speech about how men and women should be working together, which I agree with.

No, you're manufacturing hypocrisy to point out, mostly by willfully misinterpreting the actual objection to sexual content.

What is the actual objection to sexual content?

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Hysteria, really? But no, I don't think that you are a misogynist.

I'm sorry that I thought that you thought that I was a misogynist. This is going to get confusing in a minute.