(September 27, 2014 at 3:26 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes pickup. Freely given. Jesus knew it was going to happen and willingly entered into it. Why? Because this was the point of his life. That's the point extra to the historical event.
You don't understand why making a once and for all way for humans to overcome their fallibility is a loving act? Giving someone else something though they didn't deserve it seems the very definition of loving to me. You're giving the homeless man the ability to feed himself.
The handicapped child? Really? I'm sorry but that's just disgusting and totally inappropriate. Nobody caused a third party to suffer. One person chose to sacrifice themselves for a greater good. So that no one had to suffer any longer. You could try just just a little to make an accurate example. Is the suffering depicted abhorrent? YES! That's the point! You can't make a sacrifice of nothing. Something has to be exchanged. Something valuable has to be offered in exchange.
You say I'm simply 'wrong', but don't even attempt to say why.
But to be simply human, with all of our frailties and such, why do I need someone to save me ...from that?
''Not deserving of something'' implies that I've done something wrong, and I need a savior to excuse me. That is the main problem I have with Christianity...this notion that being human is somehow...''sinful'' in and of itself.