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Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
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RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body?
(September 27, 2014 at 6:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(September 26, 2014 at 11:58 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: Lately I've been fascinated with the idea of consciousness. I've been reading a bit on quantum physics, and have come to the idea that the conscious state of mind is completely seperate from the brain.
Perhaps you should have been reading a bit on biology, or nueroscience?

Quote:1) I feel as though I am not my body. For instance, if I cut my own hand off, my hand is no longer me, I'm still in the larger portion of my own body (of course I know that's mainly because my brain is still communicating with the rest of my body).
Sure, "mind/self/etc" does not arise from and is not contained within your hands.

Quote:2) It takes the brain roughly 80 milliseconds to process new stimulus, including getting that information to the brain via the nervous system. Which introduces the idea that time may not exist if it is all according to how fast the brain can process whats going on.
Your clock speed...lol, if you'll excuse me, has -everything- to do with your biologic machinery. This does not introduce the idea that time does not exist (and who the hell says that time is "according to how fast the brain can" - anything?), it explains why we do not perceive events that occur more quickly than this "in the present". There's a lag. Further, you're going to have to drop the 80 milliseconds bit as evidence for this claim - if time does not exist. 80 what again?

Quote:3) Finally, there are all types of optical, tactile and auditory illusions that can play tricks on the brain. We can only perceive our world through our senses, even certain animals can percieve colors invisible to the naked eye. Which, too me, all says that the brain is a magnificent instrument, but is not perfect. And instruments aren't autonomous.
Your "naked eye" is not arranged in the same way that those creatures "naked eye" is arranged. The differences in your equipment -with reference only to the eye...no involvement from your brain- explains the difference in perception. The brain is, however, a magnificent but imperfect organ for many reasons -just not this one. I suppose that such a notion would probably lead to us having reason to doubt anything that was the -product- of that organ.....(or would it Wink )?

But, to address the very last bit. Who says instruments aren't autonomous? Does light -stop- filtering through a telescope just because no ones using it? It busily does -precisely what it's structure does- regardless of whether or not "someone" is "using" it.

You're no fun lol. But in all seriousness, you bring up some good points. However, optical illusions aside, it still doesn't account for tactile illusions, auditory illusions, or even in extreme cases, hallucinations. But the fact that we can understand these as being illusions, despite the brain being convinced that the illusion is exactly what is happening, suggests that there some sort of dissociation between the brain and the "mind".
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Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body? - by Hezekiah - September 26, 2014 at 11:58 pm
RE: Consciousness: Is it seperate from the human body? - by Hezekiah - September 27, 2014 at 9:20 pm

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