(September 27, 2014 at 9:48 pm)Jenny A Wrote:(September 27, 2014 at 9:20 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: You're no fun lol. But in all seriousness, you bring up some good points. However, optical illusions aside, it still doesn't account for tactile illusions, auditory illusions, or even in extreme cases, hallucinations. But the fact that we can understand these as being illusions, despite the brain being convinced that the illusion is exactly what is happening, suggests that there some sort of dissociation between the brain and the "mind".
No, it is what you call the mind that is both fooled, and in some cases knows it is being fulled. Your mind isn't a straight forward stream of rational thought. All kinds of things are going on in there at the same time.
The ability for your mind to see print and to read it are quite different and you can lose the ability to "read" all symbolic shapes without losing your ability to recognize objects is quite possible as is the reverse. That is there are people who can no longer interpret vision as objects like trees and people but who can read just fine.
But it's all happening in your brain. And injury to the brain can affect all or any of it including your sense of self.
I suggest you look into Oliver Sacks many good books on neurology. V.S. Ramachandran is good too.
(September 27, 2014 at 8:53 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Anyway, as I said we cannot conceptualize the oneness, if you want to debate it, then you win, for me there is no debating the essence of what everything is, it cannot be known through the mere mind, I have experienced it in my own awareness, or enlightenment, its all I know, its all I need to know.
I'm sure you have had experiences that led you to this conclusion. I just think, since they don't lead to anything demonstrable, that you are exploring your own brain, not the cosmos.
Fritjof Capra is a mystic with a science background. So? He hasn't convinced anyone scientifically.
I fully realize that I cannot give you proof, and that wasn't my intentions, I was only sharing my own experience. I also understand an atheist will never believe what I have said, the trouble with many atheist that they throw the baby out with the bath water.
Their minds are very clinical, not open and ready to receive something they may have no idea of, their too full of themselves for anything other than what they are full off already, to receive anything that may question what they already believe.
This Cosmos is something we will never fully know, this is where the mystery is found, in realizing that we will never fully understand it. I'm not saying we should believe in anything that is told to us, but when we lose the humility of knowing that the universe is one big mystery, and that we will never know fully the mystery, we become again full of ourselves, or cup is too full to receive anything else, this is the new religion.
