(October 6, 2014 at 10:42 am)genkaus Wrote: First of all, you can deny someone air, water and food - that doesn't mean those things aren't fundamental human needs.Yes, I noted that those things are fundamental human needs myself.
Quote:The same way you can deny someone their liberty, that doesn't mean liberty isn't a fundamental need.No, it's not the same at all. Withhold air, water or food long enough and the person dies. Withhold liberty, and the person continues to live.
Quote:Secondly, fundamental to life and fundamental to survival are two different concepts.How so, and which are you using?
Quote:And I didn't say that those rights serve the purpose of fulfilling those needs.OK, what is the purpose of those rights?
Maybe it would be easier if you'd use specific laws as requested.
Quote:Because they provide a framework for the fulfillment of those needs.How do you prove that this framework is the objectively correct one to use? As I said earlier, "Even if you use some objective framework, the choice of that framework over others was ultimately subjective."