(June 26, 2010 at 3:20 am)tackattack Wrote: Ok the scipture doesn't say UNconditional. I'll stop calling it that if it sounds better to atheists. God's love is only conditional on it's acceptance. It also doesn't end upon refusal, it's as everlasting and patient as God is.Thank you for being honest with me here; now that we've addressed that issue at least we can make some progress.
And if God's love doesn't end upon refusal then you need to look up Universalism because that's what you're currently advocating.
tackattack Wrote:human love is mercurial because human emotion is erratic and that is life on Earth. But if God's nature is loveeeee, if he's an absolute why would we expect it to be mercurial? IMO it isn't.Are you implying God's character is immutable? This argument is unattainable though, because the scriptures preach God has a thought-process which in the Bible is evidently capable of change, like making decisions and plans for example, or getting angry, forgiving and so on. Human emotions in reality have the potential to be erratic and unpredictable, of course, but I fear you're generalising a bit by summarizing up people's devotion as "mercurial" every time. This unwittingly puts you in an awkward position in any case because then your love as a theist to your God-concept is nothing but mercurial also. What about all those couples you read up in news tabloids who've only been married together for the majority of their entire lives? That display of dedication is nothing to sneeze at. Surely then you'd accept there are indeed notable exceptions in life and human love isn't all that fickle?
tackattack Wrote:Love always perseveres.. that's scriptural. I'll rphrase so as not to use absolutist language. As long as time exists God's love will persevere.Beg pardon? We were talking about eternity as a concept and God now exists within time? I thought you interpreted him as 'eternal' therefore not subject to the laws of physics. Time isn't even an event or entity as such. Are you speaking about the quantitative measuring system in the metaphorical sense or describing it in the philosophical context? What is your viewpoint Tack? That time is part of the fundamental structure of the universe? Do you share the speculative theories that it's a fifth dimension in which events occur in sequence? Or do think Gottfried Leibniz's traditionist viewpoint is more accurate? Please clarify. Is God inside or outside time or neither?
tackattack Wrote:That statement is based off of you stating you live in a state of separation of God. Feel free to rephrase and I'll retract it. If you live in a state separated from God then you're living conscious of God and just in denial of him and living contrary to him, IMO. If this wasn't your intent by this statement (because this isn't an agnostic or weak athesitic stantpoint) then feel free to rephrase. It wasn't erroneous on my part as an assertion, just an observation.No sir, you are yet again asserting I know there's a magical cosmos creator and am actively denying its existence to propagate some kind of hidden atheist-agenda regardless there's a lack of empirical evidence. I don't claim to know that at all and I think its absurd you claim I do. I apologise in advance, but you are spouting quite an arseload of conspiracist nonsense! I appreciate that it is your perspective or take on the demography, but you are fundamentally incorrect - atheism is not just a rejection of theistic claims, synonymous with strong atheism, it is also a lack of belief in gods, that's not the same thing as living in opposition to God, Jesus, holiness or the divine. You are ignorantly confusing and associating Atheism with Misotheism, Antitheism and Maltheism.
tackattack Wrote:Do I think you deserve oblivion for cherishing this one life, knowing the possibility of God existing, being confronted with God in the afterlife and denying him.. yes I think oblivion is just. If you're only interested in this life and that's all you get when the chips are down I don't see the big deal.It was rhetorical question and I wasn't even addressing the afterlife.
You speak of second chances? This isn't Mormon theology. I'm not a "son of perdition" here. It is considered Christian doctrine that after this life, this 'opportunity by God's grace' as it where, there is a first resurrection and then the White Throne Judgment to follow. That's the problem: you can't convert once you're dead because it's supposedly too late. If your name's not in the Book of Life you're fucked quite frankly. According to what Christians profess you're judged on what faith/works you accomplish in this life. At any rate you have to prove there's an afterlife first Tack.
You think I deserve to be forcibly brought back to life by your God-concept only to suffer a no-doubt fairly violent second death?
Wow Tack, just wow, your make-believe god is a colossal dick whichever way you look at it.
tackattack Wrote:This one I do apologize for. It's not typically in what I've seen of your posts to be "spitting bile" I took "what are you fasting" as an attack rather than a joke bcause I was in some real and serious pain. I took too much offence and shouldn't have resorted to anyhting like what I did, so please accept my apologies for that one, it sometimes gets tiring when you expect an attack at every post.I was just asking how are you, that's all, because when I used to believe in God I once fasted to the point where I made myself ill and was simply concerned about your health. I maybe going to 'oblivion' (in your opinion) but that still doesn't change the fact that I care about my fellow human beings.