yeah... even theistic evolutionists fall for the 'god is timeless therefore doesn't need a creator', circular reasoning. it all comes down to whether or not you want to believe there are an infinite number of turtles holding up the earth.
i tried explaining the problem of that argument to my logics teacher (who had no degree in related subjects but taught it by the book): the argument is a cop out -- you could say 'God is mysterious therefore doesn't need a creator' and make just as much sense to the layman or even Nobel Prize winning physicists.
