Belief and Knowledge

[bennyboy]

Currently after 37 votes, more than 50% of atheists believe the unproven and un-falsifiable hypothesis that life in this universe arose via some natural process and not from design.

You keep trying to treat these two options as peers-- as though they're two sides of the same coin, and the jury's still out. But they are not.

Abiogenesis says "Look, here's the universe. Here's the stuff in it. Here are the basic forces that act on that stuff. Let's assume that these forces have caused THIS stuff to be collected and organized into THAT stuff, and figure out how this happened."

ID says "Look, here's the universe. Here's the stuff in it. Here are the basic forces that act on that stuff. Let's ignore everything we can see or have learned, and assume that THIS stuff could only become organized into THAT stuff by an intelligent being we've never seen nor whose existence we have good (or, really, any) evidence for. Then let's use that organization as the evidence we need to demonstrate that being exists."

I do not agree if Surgenator said atheists only believe what is known to be true. That's clearly a false statement. But that you are grasping so strongly onto what was probably an offhand response to an unsupported assertion of God's existence shows real desperation.