RE: Atheists only vote please: Do absolute MORAL truths exist? Is Rape ALWAYS "wr...
October 30, 2014 at 11:49 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2014 at 11:50 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 30, 2014 at 11:34 pm)Tsun Tsu Wrote: Then you believe rape is fine for those who deem it as good?That's what -they- believe. Focus.
Quote:I don't understand your script implication. I am asking if rape then is not morally wrong in and of itself then simply because some people view it as good for them? Or alternatively it is always morally wrong... which makes t universally and absolutely wrong. You seem to be saying we cant say its always wrong because some people deem it good.We can say whatever we like, as usual. And?
Quote:Atheists hold that we are nothing more significant than matter and chemical reaction.LOL, do they? Hmn, I must not have gotten the memo.
Quote:How is it even possibly to morally violate matter and chemical reaction?Depends on the matter and reactions. As you yourself (irc) mentioned earlier, the rape of a rock is off the table. So I guess you'll have to be a little more scrutinizing in forming these questions.
Quote: I hold that a tree cant morally violate a dog.I would agree.
Quote: I disagree that we are nothing more than matter and chemical reactionWe're on the same page still
Quote:, and that we can be orally violated, as well as morally violate.I'll probably need a rephrase here. You disagree that we can be orally violated or morally violate? You disagree with whom?
Quote: An atheist cannot recognize moral violation as I do. Which is why you would have a hard time agreeing "It is universally wrong to rape a child".How do you recognize it? I mean,. it;s pretty easy for me to feel the same gut reaction as you, to recognize the horrid nature of the act. Is that what you think atheists have a hard time grasping, or simply cannot recognize? That would be a very silly thing to say....don't you think?
Quote: It doesn't matter when in time it takes place, or where in space. It doesn't matter if anyone agrees or disagrees. There is a higher truth that trumps all opinion, and part of this truth is that it is NEVER GOOD to rape a child.-golfclaps- Okay, you're not a child rapist? Congratulations on your achievement (however did you manage to pull it off?).
Quote:How would you counter by offering examples of "good" pedophilia?Why would I?
Quote:Then you must be agnostic as opposed to Atheist, if you don't know whether or not Higher Truth exists.The subject of gods doesn't seem, to me, to be an issue of "higher truth". No such knowledge is required for me to be an atheist. I'm comfortable with good old run of the mill truth, no grading system required.
Quote:The definition of Higher Truth is simple. It is Truth that transcends anyone's belief in it, anywhere, any time, and is also true regardless of anyone's opinion. So it transcends time space and the will of dissenters and remains true, making the dissenters "wrong".So....in what way is that different from just plain old truth?
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