Atheism is unreasonable

[His_Majesty]

I'd love it if you christians dropped all the rhetoric, but unfortunately I've read the rest of the thread and I can see that what you really want is for everyone else to stop having their own positions so you can dictate them to us, for us.

Ohhh, so if God is taken out of the equation, life didn't come from nonlife??

And you believe all of that with no evidence whatsoever. Must be fun, just getting to groove with the fantasy like that.

I do have evidence, actually. So I guess I'm not the only one that is "dictating" other people's positions on here.

How do you know Jesus said that?

There is this thing called "Historical evidence", kind of like how historians draw the conclusion that Patrick Henry uttered the famous "Give me liberty, or give me death" thing.

Kinda the same stuff.

Well, as a christian, you have to believe that a cosmic armadillo pooped the universe into existence, and all the galaxies are little chunks of undigested corn, upon which we all live.

See how that is? See how utterly rude, inane and aggressive it is to presume to dictate what other people think to them? Are we going to get anywhere, if we just imperiously command other people to think in a way that's most convenient for our strawman arguments? Quit with the crap and just ask us what we believe. We'll literally just tell you, and then you can proceed from there rather than the dishonest place you're trying to come from.

Its funny, thinking back to almost 15 years of intellectual wars with unbelievers, there is one common denominator that they all share...they all are science advocates (Some more than others)...this is because once you take away the God Hypothesis, science is the only game left in town. Science has to explain EVERYTHING...and if it doesn't explain it now, it will explain it at some point in the future. That is the notion.

But to your point, oh, it isn't rude or aggressive. It is the truth. Either God did it, or nature did it, and contrary to what you people think, there are no in-betweens. If you don't believe God did it, then you believe that nature did it. Plain and simple.

Now of course, there are those that hold the position "I don't know", but in that poll which asks the question "Do you believe in God", with 87% saying no...I wonder whether if a question was asked "Do you believe that nature best explains the origins of life/consciousness", I wonder whether 87% would say no. Probably not.

Now, so far you haven't come across a single atheist that actually believes what you said, so if you persist with that idea, you will be lying.

If they don't believe what I said, then they would be theists...deists at best.

For starters, absolutely nobody- besides, oh, say, christians - believe that the universe was created instantaneously and over a short period of time in its current state.

You are erraneously assuming that every Christian is a young earth creationists, which is false.

The current scientific model grants us several billion years for the universe to develop, for stars and planets and, yes, life to form, and this model has a vast array of evidence to demonstrate this. Even the formation of life from non-life has support, in the form of the Miller-Yurey experiments and others; it's not perfectly comprehensive, but it does demonstrate that in conditions other than current earth ones the components that make life do form naturally over time.

You call it "not perfectly comprehensive"...I call it "not even close to life", a player can almost hit a game winning shot, but when it comes to wins and losses, "almost" isn't good enough...and he wasn't even "almost" there.

Rather than your strawman, this is a more typical atheist belief; the kind that is supported by hard scientific data. Please, try responding to this rather than your boring, childish argument.

Either way you put it, it is life from nonlife, buddy.

Well, it's because that's not the atheist position. Oh, and atheism isn't naturalism either

I wasn't implying that atheism is naturalism, I was linking naturalism in there because naturalism is also the unbelief in a god, and from my experience, most atheists ARE naturalist.

You know, there are plenty of atheists who believe in all sorts of supernatural things. Just not gods.

I don't cut corners, I got straight to the point. When you take away all of the semantic BABBLE that you are spewing right now, it all boils down to atheists disbelief in intelligent design. They dont believe in God. Plain and simple, and not believing in God will put you in the portal of naturalism. Btw, I've never met any atheist that believes in any supernatural reality. Never.

Conciousness arose slowly, across many successive generations, from simpler combinations of sensory apparatuses and cognitive faculties. The ability to react to more complex stimuli is an evolutionary advantage, allowing the organs that encourage that faculty to develop and grow as new species arose.

You have a chicken/egg problem here. When you speak of these cognitive faculties and sensories, you are already presupposing a brain, but this is exactly what needs to be explained.

Try again.

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Probably dropped out in the 8th grade.

Or I could of graduated high school.

Jesus likes them stupid, you know.

I would rather be stupid in heaven, than smart in hell.