Atheism is unreasonable

[His_Majesty]

There's plenty of rhetoric in your answers to others. I hope you stay truer to your word with me.

I can only hope there will be a lot less rhetoric in the posts than I am responding to.

Okay, you've got a straightforward John 3:16 approach.

It is the holy grail of Christianity.

Nonsense. Atheism is the lack of belief in god/s, nothing more. It has no inherent belief structure. Atheists can (and do) believe all sorts of things, both rational and irrational. This is clearly a conflation of atheism with an appalling straw-man of scientific material-naturalism. Given that you claim to have a high-school education (I'm assuming you passed), this must be a deliberate attempt to misrepresent atheism, material naturalism and the scientific method for a nefarious purpose. Please remind me, which commandment forbids lying?

I love how you people pretend as if you don't believe that someday (maybe even tomorrow) science will explain how life originated from nonliving material. Then it will be "at first I didn't believe in God, but now, I REALLY don't believe in God".

Again, to NOT believe in God means that you believe that nature is the ultimate originator of life. No gray areas. No in-betweens.

Oh, and what was that you were saying about not using rhetoric?

If you call making valid points rhetoric, then hey.

Yes, that's the christian claim. Oh, I get it! You're trying to make a naturalistic position seem as ridiculous as the claims of Genesis!

I really didn't need to "try".

Not to be an atheist, you don't. All you have to have is an absence of belief in theistic propositions. You don't even have to oppose them.

Law of excluded middle.

Everything that we know about the mechanisms of the current state of this universe tells us that's the most likely scenario and the more we learn, the closer we come to demonstrating it.

"The most likely scenario"...without God, right? Yet I am misrepresenting the atheist position when you just admitted that all of this "stuff" without God is the most likely scenario.

Why would you think that the emergence of consciousness is any different to the emergence of life or of biodiversity?

The emergence of life and the emergence of consciousness are two distinct problems for your position, buddy. You can either treat them separately and get attacked from two different angels...or you can loop them in together and get double the attack. Pick your poison.

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So you still haven't answered my question: do you think God created life from scratch and pure magic -or- do you think He used the same elements - carbon, etc- of which we are in fact made?

The Bible is clear that God made everything that was made. I believe God created from "nothing".

If the former, how can you possibly claim to know that?

Because in my opinion, the God hypothesis is more reasonable than its opponent.

If the latter, then don't you attribute to god the very idea you find so unimaginable? If god can create life from the same periodic table as everything else is composed then apparently inorganic components actually do support life, don't they?

I don't understand.