(November 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Damn, I couldn't read the whole thing... so many goodies y'all must have already addressed...
Unreasonably high expectations.
(November 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Care to tell us a bit about what has made you believe that?
By the grace of God, I was raised with a Christian foundation. As I got older, I started to get into apologetics, which is nice, because not only do I have faith, but I have good REASONS to believe what I believe.
And here I am today.
(November 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: J. said that?
How do you know that?
Easy. You have two explanations...Either God did it / Nature did it.
If you don't believe that God did it, then you believe that nature did it. If someone tells me "I don't believe the light is on", then by default, they believe that the light is off.
It is quite simple, if you ask me.
(November 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Aren't you mixing the order of it?
Well, based on the fact that I don't believe it happened either way, I guess the order doesn't really matter.
(November 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: "dead matter" becomes dead after being alive.... prior to life, there's no death.
You are telling me what happens after life begins...I am talking about what made life begin in the first place.
(November 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Also, sex comes wayyyy before thinking and talking.
Think about it!
I thought about it..I also thought about question of how is it that the male's reproductive system just happens to be compatible with the female's reproductive system. Either both sexual organs had to evolve simultaneously (or around the same time), or one before the other (years in between).
Simultaneously would suggest intelligent design. Years in between would be impossible.
(November 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Because it doesn't postulate the existence of an entity which far surpasses everything that exists.... an entity which never shows its face.
According to Christian theology, Jesus is God...and people seen Jesus...therefore, people seen God.
(November 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: A series of chemical reaction led to biochemistry, which led to single-celled organisms. In time (lots and lots of time), some of those organisms, possibly due to proximity, managed to survive, breed, feed better when working together, thus giving rise to multi-cellular organisms.
Add in more time... much more time... more time than you can imagine... and these organisms present differentiation of structures within them, eventually, giving rise to complex organisms, with organs, skeletons, etc...
In spite of several mass extinctions, life endured on this planet... we got trilobites, dinosaurs, birds, mammals, simians... us.
Here the god of "time" is brought forth. "Oh, it takes soooo long to occur..given enough time, anything can happen". I agree, it does take a long time. So long that it never happens.
(November 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Far before "us", there was consciousness. Several experiences with animals, show awareness of the self and of others... mostly in apes.
Then hominids got out of trees, developed the use of hands, developed the brains and here we are.
I am talking about consciousness, PERIOD.
(November 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: That, in a very very very tiny nutshell, is what science claims about how us, thinking apes, came to be on this rock.
I worship God, not science.
(November 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Are you seriously wanting to tell me that this is far less reasonable than the existence of an entity which doesn't show itself, doesn't manifest itself, doesn't appear to exist beyond people's wishful thinking?
Doesn't show or manifest itself? Well, I've never see life from nonlife, and consciousness from unconsciousness...so that alleged "natural" phenomenon never manifests itself either.