Atheism is unreasonable

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You absolutely don't understand the BGV theorem. The theorem doesn't make a case for a finite universe.

No, YOU absolutely don't understand the BGV theorem. The BGV theorem is used by many Christian apologists for the second premise of the kalam, and Mr. Vilenkin already told Dr. Craig that he represents the theorem accurately.

The BGV theorem includes an entire passage towards its conclusion stating that it is not sufficient to describe conditions prior to the expansion of the universe, and it does not make a declarative statement about whether that "prior" represents a beginning, or something else. This, it says, is the chief conclusion of the paper. I know apologists use BGV a lot, but the point is that they are misrepresenting the conclusions of the theorem, as are you.

You also cut out a part of Vilenkin's answer where he specifically says this, and now, after misrepresenting and cherry picking, you accuse someone else of not understanding the paper? You're pretty much directly lying now.

It would help to actually know what you are talking about when you make objections.

This is the kind of irony that makes my theist-whomping worthwhile. Incidentally, did you ever read the BGV theorem in its entirety? Or did you just get a cliff notes version from some apologist website?

Actually I do understand the theorem. Just because you are ignorant in that regard, don't mean that I am...and not only are you ignorant of the understanding, you are also ignorant of the implications, obviously.

If you understand the theorem, would you mind telling us why you state that it says things that are directly contradicted by, and I quote, the "chief conclusion" of the theorem? And also things that none of the writers of the theorem were willing to come out and say? Would you mind telling us why you're misusing the theorem, and overreaching with what it describes, when the theorem itself only discusses universal expansion, and not universal beginnings?

You know, for someone who understands the theorem, you do seem to be making a lot of statements that are directly contradicted by the theorem.