RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 9, 2014 at 10:00 am
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2014 at 10:03 am by His_Majesty.)
(November 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm)abaris Wrote: Two fundamentaly different issues. The resurrection of Jesus is a miracle, the mere existence of Jesus is just a person existing at a given time in history.
My only point was, both are doubted.
(November 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm)abaris Wrote: On the second issue the jury is still out. His existence has neither been proven nor disproven.
Well then, neither has Alexander the Great.
(November 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm)abaris Wrote: For the first issue you need faith in miracles to even consider the possibility.
Not necessarily faith...you need EVIDENCE that God exists, which believers believe that we have.
(November 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm)abaris Wrote: I wonder how much you actually know about the general times and believes when the gospels were written.
Enough to draw the conclusion that it happened.
(November 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm)abaris Wrote: First, a resurrected god wasn't that special in regional believes. Osiris for example was virtually put together again by his wife Isis after he had been ripped apart by his brother Seth. Dyonisos ripped apart by Hera and rebuilt by Zeus. The Sumerian god Tammuz was no different: he ended up in the kingdom of the dead. Inanna supposedly relented, and went to rescue Tammuz and turn him into a god. She did this not just once but many times. Each year Tammuz dies and the world (at least in the Near East) is hit by droughts and extreme heat, and when the rains come and the crops begin to grow, it is a sign that Tammuz has once again been resurrected.
All cases aren't the same, and each one should be dealt on a case by case basis.
(November 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm)abaris Wrote: Last but not least and that's the point where every christian believing in the trinity loses me. Jesus, as defined by the concept, was god walking the earth. So he sacrificed himself to himself and of course he resurrected himself because he was god almighty.
This is a common but gross misunderstanding of the Trinity, a misunderstanding that I also had when the concept was first brought to my attention.
The Trinity is based on the notion that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct persons, but they all share the same Deity (nature). So God didn't "sacrifice himself to himself". He sacrificed himself by himself.
So the three are not the same PERSON, they are three different persons within the "Godhead".
(November 8, 2014 at 2:28 pm)whateverist Wrote: And why, I wonder, do you think God decided to continually rub out and then replace life forms throughout the fossil record? We certainly don't find any modern forms among the earlier strata. Of course magic could account for any and every discrepancy. You'd just have to stop thinking you were adding anything of merit to the non-magic discussion.
There is no fossil record.