RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 9, 2014 at 5:12 pm
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2014 at 6:21 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(November 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: This god is alleged to be perfectly merciful; he is also alleged to have created Hell. Some conundrum, that.
I don't think omnibenovelence necessarily entails omni-mercifulness.
Nior did I say that it does. I'm drawing your attention to the fact that torturing someone for skepticism doesn't fit any definition of mercy I've seen.
Also, Aquinas and Anselm both argued that your god is the most perfect in everything. Here, you appear to be contradicting them; yet earlier in this thread you'd used one of their arguments in a post. How do you explain this inconsistency of yours?
(November 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: This god is alleged to be all-knowing; he is also alleged to have created Satan to test men. Ought not an all-knowing god know the answer of the test already? And in that case, what use might he have in creating Satan -- unless he is evil himself and creates Satan in order to have a scapegoat?
God doesn't test us because he wants to know what will will do. He tests us for our own learning and understanding. If you fail the test that would be an inkling for you to say "ok, there are some areas that I need to work on"...and at the end of the day, the goal is to get better, and you get better by falling, getting back up, and learning so that when if the situation should arise again, you are better equipped in your response.
That might be the case. But in thinking this over, it comes to me that if he knows everything, including how we will respond to his tests, then we really don't have free will.
Also, why can't he just teach us, instead of forcing us to suffer in order to learn?
(November 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: This god is alleged to be both perfectly good and all powerful, yet he has created cancer
Cancer and other ailment is a result of the body being once good, and now in a state of constant decay. Second law of thermodynamics.
So god didn't create cancer? He didn't create the 2LoT?
I was under the impression that he created everything.
(November 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: , and doomed every human to death for the sins of the first two.
True Christians are not doomed to death...true Christians are saved from death.
No, all humans die, and that's a fact. Of course you realize that I'm talking about physical death, and you're deliberately equivocating here.
But you worship a god who has killed every huma who has ever lived, because the first two bit the apple. That is hardly a picture of perfect justice there.
(November 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: This god is alleged to be omnipresent -- yet you cannot find hide nor hair of him.
Um...of course you can't hide from something/someone that is omnipresent.
Um, have you not heard the phrase "hide nor hair"? It means you can find no sign of him.
If English is not your first language, let me know, I'll be happy to write more formally if that will help your comprehension.
(November 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I could go on; ask if you see fit.
No, just quit while you are behind lol.
Behind what? You only answered one question with a modicum of sense, and even that is much more problematic than your facile answer would indicate.
Whoever those atheists were you claimed helped you hone your argument did a shitty job. The only difference between you and most Christian trolls is that you type more.
(November 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: You're clearly ignorant of the fact that amino acids have been found in comets, and meteorites.
They clearly form up in nature, unless you're wanting to argue that your little god throws them everywhere and only allows them to link up into genetic codes here in 'Murrica, fuck yeah.
Seriously: go buy an education. It's absolutely worth the money.
Apparently, you need the education. I asked where did amino acids come from, and you are telling me where they are found. Reading comprehension, people.
Do you not know their consituent molecules? Would you like a class in that?
Or, if you're asking where did matter come from, it came from the singularity, which you've already had explained to you.
(November 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: If you're the best he can do, your god is scraping bottom of barrel. Seriously, your "arguments" were seen on AOL 16 years ago; your "arguments" have been dismissed for decades before that; and you don't even have the philosophical basis for your belief; you're clearly engaged in ex post facto rationalization.
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(November 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: If you limit yourself to "apologetics", you're necessarily limiting yourself. Engage in free thought, subject your beliefs to limitless scrutiny, and be as unforgiving of your own preconceptions as you are of those who disagree with you.
If you can.
In the words of St. Peter, when some of the disciples deserted Jesus and Jesus asked Peter was he leaving too, and Peter said "Where else will I go, you have the words of eternal life" (John 6:60-71)
Well, where else do I need to go when I am following the man that has given me the free gift of eternal life?
I'd start with using the brain you allege he gave you to fuller capacity. You belittle what you claim is his creation when you waste it in such an egregious manner.