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Opinions on Ukraine
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RE: Opinions on Ukraine
"Right" is what the side that wins at the end claims afterwards to have done. Russia is acting more coherently, astutely, decisively and rationally than both ukraine, the feckless and hapless pawn, and the US, who sought to roll back Russian sphere of influence until Russia completely loses the ability to assert itself as an independent major global power, so is more likely to win the current crisis. So long as Russia continues to act more coherently and astutely than those who seeks to dismantle the Russian empire (ukraine is really a battle in that struggle) Russia is likely to eventually win the current dismantle/preserve russian empire struggle between US and Eastern European states on the one side, and Russia/china/Germany on the other, and therefore "right" is more likely to be what Russia would say in the future about what she is doing now. History's playbook should have told contemporaries that.

History's playbook says no dirty tricks ever invented ever becomes obsolete. But some become temporarily unsuitable or inconvenient for one side to use. When this happens the side finding it inconvenient or unable to use a dirty trick will jump up and down to point out how the other side continues to use it, in an effort to make virtue out of necessity and claim moral high ground for not using what it is unable to use. But as soon as it becomes convenient to use the same trick again, and that will certainly happen and sooner than later, it will use the tactic it just condamed with gusto.

(November 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Beccs Wrote:
(November 10, 2014 at 5:21 pm)simplemoss Wrote: What are opinions in Ukraine and there current civill war? who is right? who is justified? who's the victim? who benefits?

Ukraine is the victim, Russia is the aggressor through proxies.

Rational aggressor is better to have for the sake of sound international order than victims of own overreach.
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Opinions on Ukraine - by simplemoss - November 10, 2014 at 5:21 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by The Valkyrie - November 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Hoopington - November 11, 2014 at 5:39 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Thumpalumpacus - November 10, 2014 at 6:36 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by simplemoss - November 12, 2014 at 7:12 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Hoopington - November 12, 2014 at 9:19 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Thumpalumpacus - November 13, 2014 at 11:15 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by simplemoss - November 14, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Thumpalumpacus - November 14, 2014 at 10:57 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by simplemoss - November 14, 2014 at 7:02 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Thumpalumpacus - November 17, 2014 at 10:53 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Anomalocaris - November 10, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Anomalocaris - November 11, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Hoopington - November 12, 2014 at 5:48 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Anomalocaris - November 13, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by abaris - November 13, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Thumpalumpacus - November 11, 2014 at 6:47 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Anomalocaris - November 11, 2014 at 8:09 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by simplemoss - November 13, 2014 at 3:03 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by abaris - November 13, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Anomalocaris - November 13, 2014 at 5:08 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Thumpalumpacus - November 13, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by DeistPaladin - November 14, 2014 at 11:13 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by abaris - November 14, 2014 at 11:24 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by DeistPaladin - November 14, 2014 at 11:41 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by abaris - November 14, 2014 at 11:45 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by DeistPaladin - November 14, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by downbeatplumb - November 14, 2014 at 1:38 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by DeistPaladin - November 14, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Anomalocaris - November 14, 2014 at 3:10 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by JuliaL - November 14, 2014 at 11:18 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by downbeatplumb - November 14, 2014 at 12:02 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Minimalist - November 14, 2014 at 2:23 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Anomalocaris - November 14, 2014 at 7:20 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by simplemoss - November 17, 2014 at 4:54 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Anomalocaris - November 17, 2014 at 4:11 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2014 at 2:23 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by abaris - November 17, 2014 at 2:42 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Thumpalumpacus - November 17, 2014 at 3:27 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by simplemoss - November 18, 2014 at 5:06 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Thumpalumpacus - November 18, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by simplemoss - November 28, 2014 at 1:28 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Minimalist - November 28, 2014 at 1:56 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by DeistPaladin - November 28, 2014 at 1:59 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by simplemoss - December 4, 2014 at 10:43 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by DeistPaladin - December 4, 2014 at 11:56 am
RE: Opinions on Ukraine - by Minimalist - November 28, 2014 at 2:25 am

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