RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 11, 2014 at 1:43 pm
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2014 at 2:01 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(November 11, 2014 at 11:50 am)His_Majesty Wrote: Yes. Christian dogma is that not believing in the Christian god dooms one to Hell.
Well, if the Christian God doesn't exist, you really don't have anything to worry about, do you?
You missed my point, which is that such a dogma necessarily undermines any claim of mercy, or even benevolence, made about that god.
It also has implications regarding your view on free will, which we'll get to in a little bit.
(November 11, 2014 at 11:50 am)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 10, 2014 at 3:48 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Are you not reading what you write? You wrote: "I don't think omnibenovelence necessarily entails omni-mercifulness." That means that you're saying that you don't necessarily think that your god is perfectly merciful.
Which I don't.
According to Matthew, your god is perfect.
(November 11, 2014 at 11:50 am)His_Majesty Wrote:(November 10, 2014 at 3:48 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Myself, I don't believe in any gods, which means that I believe this about myself freely.
Then you have free will.
Nonsense. Eternal punishment attaching to one and only one option means that my will is as free as the robbery victim's free choice to surrender his money -- never mind the gun at his head.
(November 11, 2014 at 11:50 am)His_Majesty Wrote: If God exists, he isn't forcing you to believe, and if he doesn't exist, you aren't being forced to believe...so either way, the choice is yours.
If your god knows everything, he knows our choices. Can I prove your god wrong by making a choice that goes against what he knows I'll choose? If yes, then your god doesn't know everything. If no, then there's no real choice I can make.
(November 11, 2014 at 11:50 am)His_Majesty Wrote: What the heck is omnimax?
I though you'd spent years debating this issue, kid. Here, let me google that for you.
(November 11, 2014 at 11:50 am)His_Majesty Wrote: He is merciful, he just isn't omni-merciful, which is something that you erraneously think that he should be...despite it not being a necessary ingredient of benevolence.
Once again, I'm not basing the expectation of perfect mercy on his alleged omnibenevolence; I'm basing it on Matthew's assertion of his perfection. Aquinas and Anselm agree with me, by the way.
(November 11, 2014 at 11:50 am)His_Majesty Wrote: It is called "Christian theology".
Yes, and I'm familiar with its vapid claims you're presenting here.
Oddly enough, you're falling back on "Christian theology" here, but immediately above, you're rejecting Christian theology.
How do you reconcile this inconsistency of yours?
(November 11, 2014 at 11:50 am)His_Majesty Wrote: I did coherently define him, and all you can do is come up with some mickey mouse objection, objections that were shut down.
Disparaging an objection you haven't rebutted is dishonest argumentation. You've yet to give a coherent definition because the same "problem of infinity" which you claim negsates a naturalistic explanation also bedevils your god. In short, business as us-- er,special pleading.
Also, I notice you didn't present the evidence I asked for, so I will ask again: what evidence do you have for this god-thingy?
(November 11, 2014 at 11:50 am)His_Majesty Wrote: On judgement day, you will definitely be reminded why you SHOULD have gave two shits...and you won't be reminded by me, but by God.
Oooh, the argument from fear ... I'm quaking in my boots.
(November 11, 2014 at 11:50 am)His_Majesty Wrote: Did I say I was?
You compared yourself to Jesus Christ.
(November 11, 2014 at 11:50 am)His_Majesty Wrote: They've been dissected? Yeah ok...and even if they were (emphasis on "if" to the power of infinity), you certainly wasn't the one doing the dissecting.
I've done my share of it; I just didn't have the time to read all the tripe you have the time to post.
The fact that you cannot see that to be the case doesn't mean it hasn't happened; it only means that you're not very percipient.
(November 11, 2014 at 12:00 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Sorry, but according to the narrative, everything was wrapped up by the sixth day.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/humor
(November 11, 2014 at 12:00 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: No matter how much energy it takes, it will deteriorate over time, regardless. You sit an orange out for an extended period of time, and it will start to degrade as time goes on. There is no "stuff" from the outside that can keep it from degrading. Same thing with the human body, look at the age process of a human, starts off fresh, and over time, the body gets old..it is deteriorating..it is degrading. The universe...it is getting old..it is losing its energy...the entropy is getting high...and soon all energy will be lost.
You'll notice I haven't argued that humans don't age. You claimed that the human body is a closed system, and you've been corrected. But you're too obstinate to admit error.
Also, it appears to have escaped your notice that cancer is a growth, not degradation.
(November 11, 2014 at 12:00 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Right, everyone on here is so smart, and I am so dumb
Truth be told, you do appear to be more uneducated than your interlocutors. It was honest advice, freely given; do with it as you wish.