(November 11, 2014 at 3:10 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:Commencing at the cell level - for instance the cell’s membranes (wall) is incredibly complex. Lipids and proteins interact to assemble bilayers which function much like cross beams which are called phospholipids shaped like a balloon with two strings attached, and are assembled in a tail-to-tail configuration. The balloon ends forms the inner and(November 8, 2014 at 8:24 pm)snowtracks Wrote: atheistic naturalism has a gapping hole in logic which is that human beings have a mind that displays personhood, intentionality, emotions, etc.; but the origin of that is mindless and nonconscious. So the end product reflects back on something that can’t reflect forward.
consciousness to consciousness, consciousness to nonconscious makes sense. nonconscious to consciousness is nonsense. about time you gave the 'mind' it's due. after all, it's order of magnitude capabilities over matter is infinity.
What gapping hole? this is all explained perfectly well by evolution.
outer surfaces. The phospholipids http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phospholipid are combination of cholesterol, oils, fats, etc.
The protein molecules on the other hand bind to the inner and outer surfaces and function as receptors that provide the cell capability to communicate with its external environment; they do this by catalyzing chemical reactions at both the inner and outer surfaces. Another function is to transport material across the cell’s membrane and also forms pores and channels though it.
So what needs to be in place from the start is a protocell that has complete bilayer formation securely and properly tail-to-tail assembled that encompass the total cell - forming a ‘sandwich bag’ structure that provides a sealed environment. Well of course it would have to surround the cell’s machinery already inside which would have to be likewise fully functional as is the membrane. It’s all or nothing - the nucleus and other parts and the dna scripting for the likes of metabolic and replication must be there inside the membrane in place, in real time, in perfect working order. The border can’t be just 99% ‘evolved’ or the cell doesn’t survive.
If the membrane developed through natural processes, evolutionary models must account for its occurrence early the origin of life pathway. This hasn’t been done, forget about ‘perfectly’; in fact not even close. This is not simple to more complex, this is fully complex.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.