(November 20, 2014 at 4:14 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: You're projecting. For some reason, you think there's a problem with accepting the evidence for evolution and believing in God, despite there being millions of theists who do so. If evolution is true, that does not mean that God isn't. If God is real, it means God is a little more 'hands-off' than depicted in Genesis, that's all. And the evolution scenario isn't a problem for the God of deism at all.
I acknowledge that there are some within the Christian circle that believes in evolution, in fact, if I DID believe in evolution, I would be one of them.
(November 20, 2014 at 4:14 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The main way in which accepting evolution as probably true deconverts Christians to atheism is when they've been repeatedly told that evolution is bunk and find out that they've been lied to when they honestly investigate it. It's a problem for overly-literal Biblical fundamentalists, finding out the Bible account of creation isn't literally true can shake their faith...but Christians who haven't been taught that evolution is a lie can weather learning all about evolutionary biology without their faith even being chipped.
Yeah, no doubt about it. But see, the Christian that believes in evolution would be one that would have a "doctrinal" disagreement with me...and I have doctrinal disagreements with my fellow Christian-mates all the time. That is why that is of no big concern to me...despite the fact that I think it is FLAT OUT WRONG to think that God used evolution as a creation mechanism.
(November 20, 2014 at 4:14 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I don't want to see atheists become a majority in the USA, because majorities tend to become complacent and entitled, but I do want us to become a large enough minority that we can't be safely ignored. Your contributions do more than I ever could on my own to shake any fundamentalists who happen to read this thread; and I want you to know I appreciate you being here. Planting a seed of doubt is one of the things I'm about.
Heyy, thanks. You know the old cliche saying that goes something like "I could give a motivational speech to a thousand kids, and if I manage to touch or inspire just one of them, my mission was accomplished"...something like that.
And for me, I am working on behalf of the kingdom of the living God. But my thing is this; it isn't just one argument against evolution, it is the totality of many different arguments which makes the theory virtually impossible, in my opinion...of course, I am talking about evolution without intelligent design (God).
You will still have the abiogenesis problem, the consciousness problem, the infinity problem, and the arguments that I believe refute the "evidence" presented for the theory.
Each one of these problems are INDEPEDENT of the other, and in order for the theory of evolution to be true, the evolutionists would have to tear down all four problems, since all four of these issues plays a great deal into the theory as a whole...and I don't think the evolutionist will ever be able to adquately respond to EITHER problem, let alone all four together.
These are serious problems that cannot be just swept up under the rug. Now, if you are REALLY opened-minded and want to see good arguments against the theory of evolution, just check out Kent Hovind...you may already be familiar with him, but he has been the most prominent anti-evolutionist that the world has ever seen...he is the William Lane Craig of anti-evolution...and his seminar's, lectures, debates have all been on youtube, and you should check him out because he has debated some pretty prominent folks in the field of biology, like Massimo Pigliucci, Eugenie Scott, Kenneth Miller, Michael Shermer (not a biologist).
Good stuff.
