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Can atheists convert theists?
RE: Can atheists convert theists?
Quote:So if this comes down to a matter of personal choice then how does this original claim of yours stand?:

Quote:Classifying myself as an atheist implies too much knowledge of the God in question

Because I chose to stay on step one since I refuse to take any assumed definition of God. Without a God to in any way detect to gather attributes from, I refuse to take even the traditional view of what "God" would be. Yes, a a bunch of humans sat down one day and made up a definition, but the definition is based upon common assumptions, not reality. If I called myself an atheist alone, then that implies that I accept the baseless definition (well, based on assumptions, but it has no basis in reality). When someone presents the traditional definition of God and asks if I believe in it, I say no, just like you. I leave it to the believers to drag out the absurdities before rejecting them automatically. Yes, I could, as you say, keep rejecting an infinite amount of Gods. Still, it is up to the person claiming there is a God first of all provide an ontological proof, and second of all to demonstrate how they derived God's attributes. If the second is possible, the first shouldn't be an issue, which is why I was focusing on that.

Just because there is a definition for God doesn't mean it is a sound proposition as to what God is---yes, it sums up what most people think of God, and that's what words do--provide some basic commonality so people can understand each other. Fine, I'm not disputing that. The fact of the matter is, language is limiting, by its very nature of applying words to represent things and concepts. It is futile to reject "God" outright because there isn't even a reason to consider it--the definition is based upon nothing more than blind assumptions (in this case, a blind assumption by the masses).
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Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 7, 2010 at 9:20 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Minimalist - July 7, 2010 at 9:46 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 7, 2010 at 9:51 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Minimalist - July 7, 2010 at 11:49 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Dotard - July 7, 2010 at 11:26 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by padraic - July 7, 2010 at 11:57 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Shell B - July 8, 2010 at 12:04 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Dotard - July 8, 2010 at 12:07 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 9:01 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 8, 2010 at 7:50 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 7:52 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 8, 2010 at 8:29 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 11:05 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Minimalist - July 8, 2010 at 11:45 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by padraic - July 8, 2010 at 8:03 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Darwinian - July 8, 2010 at 8:13 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Eilonnwy - July 8, 2010 at 8:32 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 8:45 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Eilonnwy - July 8, 2010 at 9:39 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 8, 2010 at 10:34 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 8:59 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 8, 2010 at 9:52 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 9:58 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Eilonnwy - July 8, 2010 at 10:08 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by tavarish - July 8, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 10:39 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Eilonnwy - July 8, 2010 at 11:01 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 11:13 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 8, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Zen Badger - July 8, 2010 at 10:42 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 11:25 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 8, 2010 at 3:22 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 11:27 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 12:01 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 12:19 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 12:23 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 1:31 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 12:34 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 1:43 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 2:11 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 5:01 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 5:51 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 9, 2010 at 10:08 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 6:27 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 6:35 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 7:04 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 7:49 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 7:58 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 8:08 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 8:12 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 9:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 9:49 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 9:51 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 10:00 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 10:02 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Loki_999 - July 9, 2010 at 2:13 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by KichigaiNeko - July 9, 2010 at 4:16 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 9, 2010 at 10:34 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 9, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 9, 2010 at 12:39 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 9, 2010 at 3:08 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 12:16 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 10, 2010 at 2:55 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 10, 2010 at 5:29 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Samson - July 10, 2010 at 2:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 5:28 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 5:32 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 6:16 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 6:20 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 6:28 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 6:32 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 6:38 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 6:45 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 7:02 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 9:07 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Autumnlicious - July 10, 2010 at 8:19 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 8:21 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 9:14 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 9:18 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 9:21 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 10:35 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 6:14 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 11, 2010 at 10:16 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 10:37 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 11:20 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 12:07 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Scented Nectar - July 11, 2010 at 11:30 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 12:29 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 12:26 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 12:29 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 1:07 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 1:25 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Minimalist - July 11, 2010 at 1:24 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Scented Nectar - July 11, 2010 at 1:48 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 2:17 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Welsh cake - July 11, 2010 at 2:51 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 3:22 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 4:12 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 4:17 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 4:35 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 4:38 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 4:41 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 4:42 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:22 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:27 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 7:31 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:34 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 7:32 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 7:36 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 7:42 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 7:50 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 8:30 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 8:55 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 9:16 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 9:24 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 9:27 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 5:14 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2010 at 1:20 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 1:25 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 1:54 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2010 at 2:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 4:02 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2010 at 5:16 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 6:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 6:49 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 7:55 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 8:15 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 12, 2010 at 7:11 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 7:44 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 8:52 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 12:37 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 12:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 1:01 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 1:13 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 7:15 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 13, 2010 at 5:32 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 13, 2010 at 6:30 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 13, 2010 at 6:48 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Purple Rabbit - July 13, 2010 at 1:40 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 16, 2010 at 6:21 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - July 18, 2010 at 11:35 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 7:49 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by theVOID - July 19, 2010 at 5:22 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by AtheistPhil - July 19, 2010 at 6:32 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Ace Otana - July 19, 2010 at 5:25 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by CoolBoy - July 19, 2010 at 7:04 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 8:05 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by theVOID - July 19, 2010 at 8:48 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Ace Otana - July 19, 2010 at 8:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 8:54 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by theVOID - July 19, 2010 at 9:10 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 9:13 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by theVOID - July 19, 2010 at 9:20 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 9:23 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by theVOID - July 19, 2010 at 9:25 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 9:27 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by theVOID - July 19, 2010 at 9:29 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 20, 2010 at 4:51 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Ace Otana - July 20, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 20, 2010 at 7:38 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Ace Otana - July 20, 2010 at 9:51 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - July 20, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 20, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Ace Otana - July 20, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 20, 2010 at 12:33 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 20, 2010 at 4:55 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Cego_Colher - July 20, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 20, 2010 at 5:31 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 20, 2010 at 7:24 pm
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