(November 23, 2014 at 8:31 am)Riketto Wrote:(November 22, 2014 at 9:18 pm)Surgenator Wrote: And you just gave me your queen. If most NDEs are not NDEs and the experiences are the same, then the NDEs are just in the mind not somewhere else.
You running too much with your fantasy.
It is true that most of the NDEs are not real experience but it is also true that some are.
And beside who said that all real and not real NDEs are the same?
Did you interview all these guys to find out the truth?
Did you read any book that describe the NDEs from a point of view of real and not real experiences?
I don't think so mister.
First, lets use more precise language. The term "real experience" is too vague. Lets instead use real manifestations or illusionary ones. A real manifestation is when the experience comports to reality e.g. a person's spirit actually floats above their body. An illusionary manifestation is when the experience does not comport to reality e.g. a person mind tricks them into feeling like they're floating above their body.
How do you know when the experiences one has are real or illusionary manifestations? Just asking them would be get you nowhere. A simple test you could do is asking the people, claiming to have out of body experiences, to tell you what is the symbol on a card that is out of view for everybody else. This experiment has been done, and no one was successful in predicting the symbol on the card.
Where is your proof that any of the experiences are real manifestations? Just because NDC exist does not mean they're not illusionary. The fact that you can reproduce the effects artifically without the people's life in danger, suggest an illusionary. Since the person's life is not indanger in the artifical cases, these effects should not occur if it was attributed to some kind of spirit. See Tonus post.
(November 23, 2014 at 5:11 pm)Tonus Wrote:
(November 23, 2014 at 8:31 am)Riketto Wrote:Surgenator Wrote:You may believe in whatever you like.Riketto Wrote:2) Many people believe in the randomness and casualness of life.Tell that to the million starving children in Africa.
I don't.
I believe that everything happen because there is a need for so if somebody can see things while other people can not it means that there is a need for.
For what?
For his or her development of course.
Would to see what is in the card help for his-her development?
Of course not so why God would let someone to play with something that it is not important for his-her development?
Sorry to have to postpone your checkmate for eternity.
I believe in the karma law.
Action and reaction so to speak.
The million of people that today are starving in a past life may well have been thieves, rapist, loan sharks, hit man, murderers and so on so according to this karma law they are paying for their past crimes.
This doesn't mean that we shouldn't help these people to sort out their problems if we can.
Past lives? Aren't you a special bundle of pseudoscience.