(November 27, 2014 at 9:44 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:(November 27, 2014 at 9:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: HOLY CRAP, show me anywhere in the OP I said they didn't?
Asserting that it requires "inclusion in the political process" certainly implies that, in a thread about race relations.
(November 27, 2014 at 9:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: Just because a system is set up does not mean that system cannot be abused. If you think the way or system is being used by wealth is fine you are sniffing glue or something.
When did I say I thought it was fine? Matter of fact, you've read posts from me in other threads where I lay out my problems with it, so you know that I don't think it's fine.
(November 27, 2014 at 9:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: If you cannot see the problem, then you are on the side of those who run the 3 card Monty table. It isn't the tool I object to, nor wealth itself. It is what wealth does with the table turning it into a rigged bet, instead of a neutral table.
Again, you've read posts from me in other discussions laying out what I think is flawed with our system, so you know that your hypothetical here is false.
You need to learn how to have a discussion without flinging insults or erecting strawmen. You weaken your own points with your inability to discuss matters rationally.
Nope, you need to learn that you do not get to dictate the narrative just because something ugly about reality exists that you do not want to face.
Now, you want to talk about logic.
You see the same pattern over and over, you don't have to wade through apologetics on any issue to know what is going on.
EVOLUTION. All human group thought is humans creating excuses to create a power structure to get at resources.
Now again, if if if if if if if if if , everything the rich or the right claimed worked, no one would be bitching. You do not have to build a car factory and all the parts yourself, assemble it, to know, when it does not start, that it is not a lack of gas pixies causing it not to run.
Just like I do not have to read every verse of the bible or koran to know those are merely comic books written by ignorant humans.
Economics is not complicated. The same lopsided nature that caused the Russian revolution is the same lopsided nature that caused it to fall. The same lopsided nature that cause the Libyan revolution in a country run by a billionaire.
We have a plutocracy, we have wealth controlling everything and the money is being sucked up. It will always happen that way no matter if you set up an open market or closed market. There is not one country friend or foe that does not invest in the global private sector.
No one is demanding blacks or poor people in general "fight the power" just to set up a nanny state. No one is suggesting, or should suggest you can get rid of the private sector to solve problems.
YOU are stupidly ignoring this moment in time, and how the tool of government is being used by wealth that hurts one segment of the population more than others. What would be better for all of us, is if wealth pulled its head out of its ass and stop blaming everybody and use that wealth in a constructive manor.
"You don't understand the math" is garbage. It is a dodge because what the morons who argue this is that YES the math works, the part they always ignore is WHO?
No different than when a theist argues freedom of religion. They are fine with others as long as those others know their place. Class division, political division, and even economic views are all ways of making excuses to live in a bubble.
I don't want to hear you argue about math. I am sure the same math worked for Marx that lead to Stalin. I am sure the same "math" works for Saudis and their oil wealth.
It is how we interact and how our government is used. And you cannot call it equal AT THIS POINT in history without accepting that the way the tool is being used hurts one segment of the population more than others.
Otherwise, find a holy book, stick your head in the sand, and buy into an invisible being, because that is what you are acting like.
