(November 30, 2014 at 9:18 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Actually, I haven't any children of my own, but I get the point you are trying to make, and the point fails utterly.
Yes, I would absolutely tell a child of mine, 'Don't go into the street, dear, it's very dangerous.' And yes, I would keep an eye on my child. But then your analogy falls apart.
God did nothing - absolutely nothing - to prevent Eve from eating the fruit and continued to do nothing when she offered Adam the fruit. If I saw my child about to wander into the street, I would make a mad dash to grab her before she got injured. If she picked up a table knife after I told her not to, I would take it from her. If I saw her climbing into a pen with a littered sow (I grew up on a farm), I would stop her. Christians are fond of make a parent analogy regarding God, and it just doesn't wash. Responsible parents not only warn their children about dangers and watch them, they take steps to protect their children. If your analogy worked, I'd let my child wander into a busy road - while I watched her do it - just for the satisfaction of seeing her killed or crippled so I could crow, 'See what happens when you disobey me?'
Stop using the 'God is a loving parent analogy'. He isn't. If God were a human parent, he'd be brought up on abuse charges.
Boru
The other important thing to remember is that the fruit wasn't actually dangerous at all. In fact, it gave Adam and Eve the capacity to recognize good and evil. It improved them. What was dangerous was daring to disobey god on even the most random, innocuous point, that they couldn't have known was wrong before they disobeyed.
So, as usual, the christian's analogy is missing some important details. A more comprehensive picture would be to imagine god as a father warning his children against the dangerous process of learning, lying to them about how trying to learn anything will kill them, and so on. And then, when he finds out that they've learned even the most basic of things, he cripples them and throws them out of his house.
Oh, and just saying; while they lived under his roof these two children were confined to a single space within it, forbidden to go outside of that, and also forbidden to wear clothes.
The entire thing reads like the sexual predator leader of a cult trying to keep his kids docile and pliant.
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