(December 2, 2014 at 12:10 am)Nope Wrote:(December 1, 2014 at 11:25 pm)Godschild Wrote: None at all, the word torture is not mentioned.
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Why do you play semantics with the word, torture? The verses that Losty quoted were clearly discussing pain and suffering that lasts forever which is torture. It doesn't matter if the bible uses the exact word, torture because we all know that is what eternal pain and suffering is.
I don't, why do you insist on claiming torture where it's not. Hell is a choice and since it's a choice God's not responsible for what happens to those who will be there. It takes a second party to torture someone. Yes God made the place and gave everyone a choice for their eternity, so the blame falls on the one making a choice where they want to spend eternity, or just flat out refusing to believe there's a God in control of the creation. Torture is forced on people, hell in no way is forced upon anyone, Jesus gave His life to give people a clear cut choice about their eternity, it's only the fault of those who choose not to believe. God made it simple to avoid hell and man tries to complicate things because he thinks more of his own self, than to serve his creator.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
