RE: If
December 8, 2014 at 10:45 am
(This post was last modified: December 8, 2014 at 11:10 am by Little Rik.)
(December 7, 2014 at 10:53 am)abaris Wrote:(December 7, 2014 at 10:28 am)Riketto Wrote: When you got sometime go through as many NDEs as you can in the link that i already gave
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/NDERF_NDEs.htm
.....and click on the name of those persons who had an NDE to see in details.
Let me get this straight. You dismiss all the input of scientist reasearch on NDEs with the wave of a hand, but present individual accounts as evidence of an afterlife.
I already deal with this question several times.
Physical science is not in a position to leave the corral of physicality and go over the fence into higher degree of consciousness.
Only after practicing the intuitional science that allow them to go over the border-fence then they will be able to understand how the system works.
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(December 7, 2014 at 11:15 am)Brian37 Wrote: Stop it, the three letters g and o and d that make up the word God and god, are meaningless words that people keep in their head and assign their own attributes to. Humans make up gods, gods are not real. And as the "lets pretend for argument's sake" as indicated by the "If" question would still not change my attitude towards such a character. There has never been or ever will be such a thing as a not material magical super brain with super powers. God is no more real than superman or Thor or unicorns. Your splitting the baby mentality is coming from your empathy and sense of fairness. It has nothing at all to do with the reality that humans make up gods. The concepts are merely a placebo humans construct and falsely believe in because that is easier than accepting our finite reality. Now the easiest way anyone thinking even the thought "there might be" is more than welcome to take their claim into a lab, get it tested and falsified and independently peer reviewed and beat everyone to the patent office. But do not ask me to hold my breath or do their homework for them. There is nothing magical about life and there is no need or reason at all to insert what is in reality, a projection of human's desires and fears out of ignorance of reality, into science to explain anything.
The universe does not give one crap about our species history of god claims, it was around long before and after our planet and sun dies, it will continue and there will be no record of our species childish superstitions. I am sorry if it bothers you or anyone here that reality is offensive to you. Too bad. Science does not care if you accept it or not.
Brian, you just remind me of that guy that after buying a tv try to see the picture without first connecting the tv to an antenna.
In the air there are a myriad of sound and vibration that carry a meaningful message but unless you get connected you will have no chances to perceive anything.
God presence is there all the time.
The problem however is getting connected.
As simple as that.
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(December 7, 2014 at 1:39 pm)Surgenator Wrote: What was your point then?
I pretend that the doctors are a bunch of idiots when in fact they know very well when someone is dead.
This in reply to someone that believe in physical science but for his own interest does not believe in doctors which are specialists in medical science.
Quote:Your evidence is testimonials. Testimonials are the worst kind of "evidence" because the pateints don't know the cause, the time of the cause, are suggestable, etc... You have to better than that to convince someone. There is actual research done on NDE's that you seem to ignoring.
If what you say make any sense then the NDEs would be all different and would contradict each other but they don't.
They all end up in the same place so it is your idea that doesn't make any sense.
Quote:So now the tactic is ignore the countering evidence and live in your lala land.
Let us hear your counter evidence.
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Quote:It doesn't matter how many people follow exactly what Buddha says. The Buddhist religion says the ultimate goal is to rid oneself of wants. It's all internally focused. So your imaginary seperation between spiritualism is internal and religion is external is bullshit.
If 99% of the so called Buddhists would follow what Buddha say then i would say that Buddhism is spirituality but as i know it is only less then 1% that follow what Buddha said that is why i can say that today Buddhism is religion.
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