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Catholic miracles
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RE: Catholic miracles
(December 8, 2014 at 9:38 pm)Heywood Wrote:
(December 8, 2014 at 12:01 am)Surgenator Wrote: So you think that non-local causes save you. Non-local operators only come up if two particles or more particles are entangled. You have to show how that is possible all nucleur decays to say non-local operators explain that. Otherwise, your talking out of your ass.

First, its only within your interpretation of quantum mechanics that causality is abandoned and the meaning of randomness is changed.
Where is your proof that the scientific definition of randomness has changed?

Quote:This isn't a case of science abandoning causality because it has been shown to not to exist. This is a case of some scientists abandoning causality because it doesn't fit with a particular interpretation of quantum mechanics they arbitrarily choose to believe.
Please read more carefully. I said there are plenty of examples of random processes at the quantum level. I didn't say that causality doesn't exist. There are events at the quantum level that have causes and there are also those that don't.

And I didn't arbitrary choose to believe QM. QM has evidence for random behavior. I'm unaware of QM interpretation that says there is no randomn events.

Quote:Many worlds is a quantum mechanical interpretation that is completely deterministic because the wave function obeys a deterministic wave function at all times. Your claim that causality has been shown to be false....is well false.
Your ignorance is showing. All QM interpretations of the wave function are deterministic, but the observables are not. The observables are probabilistic. The probability distribution is determined from the wave function. So the observable (like position) is randomly choosen from a deterministic probability distribution.

Quote:Second, entanglement is a quality of particles in our reality and not necessarily variables which operate on our reality. Yes...there is a speed limit on how fast information can travel through a reality....in our case it is the speed of light. However the speed of light is not a restriction on how fast information can travel to a reality.
I know what a non-local variable is.

Quote:If you are in a simulated reality when an atom decays, that information will take a certain amount of time to reach you as it propagates through each spatial coordinate of that reality. That amount of time is governed by, amoung other things, the permittivity and permeability of the free space within the reality. However, sending information from a random number generator outside the reality into the reality telling an atom to decay is not governed by the permittivity and permeability of the free space within the simulated reality. The speed at which that information propagates can be and probably is much faster then our speed of light.
You missed my point. What makes these non-local decay variables be consistent? Why can't we control them? We can have a nuclear particle first entangled to an environment we control. Then we can have the same nuclear particle travel far away from the our environment and check if it had any affect on the decay. Tada, we can test non-local variables affect on decays. The only known effect processes that affects nuclear decays is when the sun spits out a bunch of neutrinos at us. This change isn't too surpricing since you can affect the production/decay rates by bombarding them with neutrinos.

Quote:Non local variables are going to take on a lot of the properties of entangled particles....but they do not have to be entangled particles.
Entangled literally means that one affected the other. If there is no entanglement, you cannot have causility.
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Catholic miracles - by beatlesman - December 6, 2014 at 11:01 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Minimalist - December 6, 2014 at 11:09 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by abaris - December 7, 2014 at 11:05 am
RE: Catholic miracles - by Jenny A - December 6, 2014 at 11:10 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by abaris - December 7, 2014 at 3:23 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 3:30 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by abaris - December 7, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 3:59 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Jenny A - December 7, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Grandizer - December 10, 2014 at 2:46 am
RE: Catholic miracles - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 7, 2014 at 6:22 am
RE: Catholic miracles - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 6:41 am
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RE: Catholic miracles - by polar bear - December 7, 2014 at 10:56 am
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RE: Catholic miracles - by Minimalist - December 7, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: Catholic miracles - by LostLocke - December 7, 2014 at 12:38 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by abaris - December 7, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by LostLocke - December 7, 2014 at 1:04 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Minimalist - December 7, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Cyberman - December 7, 2014 at 3:23 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Thor - December 7, 2014 at 4:05 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 4:12 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by abaris - December 7, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 4:20 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Thor - December 7, 2014 at 4:22 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 4:25 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Thor - December 7, 2014 at 4:37 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 4:42 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by abaris - December 7, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Thor - December 7, 2014 at 4:53 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 5:12 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Surgenator - December 7, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Surgenator - December 7, 2014 at 7:38 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 10:36 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Surgenator - December 8, 2014 at 12:01 am
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 8, 2014 at 9:38 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Surgenator - December 8, 2014 at 11:38 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by IATIA - December 8, 2014 at 11:41 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 9, 2014 at 11:39 am
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RE: Catholic miracles - by Surgenator - December 9, 2014 at 8:21 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 9, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Surgenator - December 9, 2014 at 9:30 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 9, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Jenny A - December 9, 2014 at 10:49 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Surgenator - December 10, 2014 at 12:17 am
RE: Catholic miracles - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 4:25 pm
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RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 4:30 pm
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RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 4:38 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Cyberman - December 7, 2014 at 4:34 pm
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RE: Catholic miracles - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 4:55 pm
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RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 5:20 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Thor - December 7, 2014 at 6:03 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by abaris - December 7, 2014 at 6:23 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 6:33 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by abaris - December 7, 2014 at 6:38 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 7, 2014 at 6:44 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by IATIA - December 7, 2014 at 6:56 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by vorlon13 - December 7, 2014 at 6:24 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Minimalist - December 7, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by robvalue - December 8, 2014 at 1:30 am
RE: Catholic miracles - by Cyberman - December 8, 2014 at 11:50 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 9, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: Catholic miracles - by Surgenator - December 9, 2014 at 2:34 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by downbeatplumb - December 9, 2014 at 3:54 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by IATIA - December 9, 2014 at 1:01 am
RE: Catholic miracles - by Cyberman - December 9, 2014 at 1:35 am
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RE: Catholic miracles - by ManMachine - December 9, 2014 at 11:52 am
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RE: Catholic miracles - by abaris - December 9, 2014 at 3:57 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by FatAndFaithless - December 9, 2014 at 3:58 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by dyresand - December 9, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by Minimalist - December 9, 2014 at 7:52 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by dyresand - December 9, 2014 at 11:56 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by robvalue - December 10, 2014 at 2:06 am
RE: Catholic miracles - by Heywood - December 10, 2014 at 10:51 am
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RE: Catholic miracles - by Spooky - December 15, 2014 at 8:02 pm
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RE: Catholic miracles - by Cyberman - December 15, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: Catholic miracles - by IATIA - December 15, 2014 at 9:21 pm
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