(December 9, 2014 at 9:29 am)Riketto Wrote:Where is the evidence for the "non-visible part?" And personal experiences are not evidence because they're unreliable. schizophrenic patients see things; it doesn't what they see is real.(December 8, 2014 at 1:03 pm)Surgenator Wrote: You still have to provide evidence that there exist something other than the physical world.
In previous posts i discuss this topic time and time again.
Consciousness in humans it is like an iceberg.
You got the visible part above the water and the non-visible part under the water which by the way is the bigger part which vary from person to person.
My job is to bring my part that is below the water up and yours is to deal with yours.
You can not help me to perform this job and i can not help you and when i or you are able to bring this knowledge up we can not pass such a knowledge to each other that is why it is impossible to give evidence that me or you have brought this knowledge up.
High degree of consciousness go well behind the border of physical knowledge and what is not physical belong to the individual owner and it is not transferable.
Quote:I was indirectly refering to people experiencing high accelarations, i.e. fighter pilots in centrifuges. No drugs or medications were involved. All natural, same effect as NDEs without their lives endangered.Quote:Some people experience are nightmarish, some are heavenly. You keep forgeting that these experience can be forced without the peoples lives being in danger. If they're not dying, no "soul" is leaving the body. So why would have these NDE's. The simpliest answer, it is all in your head.First of all you should understand what is the difference between a natural feeling and a feeling caused by drugs or medications.
Too often critics and denialists can not understand the difference.
These people are stuck in the corral of physical reality so it obvious that they can not understand what exist outside their corral.
As a side, what is the difference between the dopamine made in a lab and the dopamine made by your body. I'll give you a hint, nothing.
Quote:The fact Micheal Shermer changes his mind doesn't change his arguments. Please address his arguments not the man.Quote:Here is the link again.
Micheal Shermer is a bit of a nutcase.
He change his views time and time again as the reality emerge.
In 72 he voted for Nixon and then has been a strong supporter of gun laws to then change his mind later on.
He grew up as a christian to change later on and become an atheist.
Actually there is nothing wrong with changing.
We all change for the better or the worse but as many other he pretend to understand what his consciousness hasn't allow him so far.
This guy is still stuck in a world where the physical part dominate so at the moment there will not be any chances that he can understand what is above physicality.
Quote:Every heard of the "no true scotsman fallacy." If you haven't, look it up because you're commiting it here. You cannot reject yoga practitioners just because they don't fit into your definition.Quote:You don't get to change the definitions of words to fit your view. I still bafaled at your constant appeal to the population. You can't seem to realize that it's a falacy. Lets try this example, there are about 99% of the people practicing yoga who do it solely for the exercise. They do not believe the karma or other mysticism that comes with it. So yoga is not a spiritual. Did you spot the falacy in my example. That is the same falacy your consistently making.You say that 99% practicing yoga.
These people practice ASANAS which are part of yoga so they are convinced that they are practicing yoga but yoga is a lot more than physical exercises.
The real yoga is meditation first of all and then asanas, a vegetarian diet and a code of moral conduct.
Asanas is not spirituality because when you do exercises only you don't worship any God or any religious divinity.
Buddhist on the contrary worship a divinity so we can say that these 99% have absolutely nothing to do with spirituality while the 1% or so that practice the whole yoga are engaged in spirituality.
You are making a terrible confusion Surgen.