(December 9, 2014 at 5:12 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: This is by far, the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And it's the crazy bad feminists that say this. 'Don't teach women not to get raped! Teach men not to rape!'
Guess what other things we've told people not to do:
Murder
Steal
Lie
Do drugs etc
Do you get my point? They happen regardless of the laws and regardless of what is acceptable.
I understand what you're saying but I don't think that's the point of "teach men not to rape".
First of all, just consider what would happen to the rate of robbery if people thought it was acceptable to steal under certain conditions. Sure good people would never steal and bad people would still do so but what about those on the borderline? Society can make certain crimes easier to rationalize away and therefore cause it to go up.
Consider this scenario:
A clearly beaten guy stumbles into a police station. Two female cops are present to get his story.
"Some bitch clubbed me and stole my wallet!"
"Well, whatdaya expect?" the two female cops agree, "After all, you in that Armani suit. You're dressed so expensively."
It's fair to say that this hypothetical society would see a higher rate of robbery, wouldn't you agree?
Our society has gotten better about understanding that rape isn't "provoked" but we still have work to do.
Second, rape isn't like some of these other crimes you mention. In all examples you provided, I can think of some examples where the crime would be, if not justifiable, understandable. A mother who steals bread to feed her starving family is very much different from an executive who embezzles from his employee's retirement account. A father who murders the molester of his child might be wrong to take the law into his own hands but I understand. James Randy once related a story where he lied to his dying father telling him that he'd accepted Jesus and would see him in Heaven, thus allowing a man to die in a happier state. Drugs are also quite acceptable for a dying person in pain.
In all of these examples, I can think of circumstances that would lead an otherwise good person to commit them. I can even think of examples where the crime might be justifiable. I can think of no circumstances where rape would be justified. It's rather unique among crimes that way.
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