(December 9, 2014 at 5:27 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I understand what you're saying but I don't think that's the point of "teach men not to rape".
First of all, just consider what would happen to the rate of robbery if people thought it was acceptable to steal under certain conditions. Sure good people would never steal and bad people would still do so but what about those on the borderline? Society can make certain crimes easier to rationalize away and therefore cause it to go up.
Consider this scenario:
A clearly beaten guy stumbles into a police station. Two female cops are present to get his story.
"Some bitch clubbed me and stole my wallet!"
"Well, whatdaya expect?" the two female cops agree, "After all, you in that Armani suit. You're dressed so expensively."
It's fair to say that this hypothetical society would see a higher rate of robbery, wouldn't you agree?
Our society has gotten better about understanding that rape isn't "provoked" but we still have work to do.
I think just the statement of telling men not to rape, implies that they don't know its wrong, which is absurd. Most rapists know that rape is wrong, they just don't care. Almost everyone knows that rape is wrong, just like how everyone knows that murder is wrong.
(December 9, 2014 at 5:27 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Second, rape isn't like some of these other crimes you mention. In all examples you provided, I can think of some examples where the crime would be, if not justifiable, understandable. A mother who steals bread to feed her starving family is very much different from an executive who embezzles from his employee's retirement account. A father who murders the molester of his child might be wrong to take the law into his own hands but I understand. James Randy once related a story where he lied to his dying father telling him that he'd accepted Jesus and would see him in Heaven, thus allowing a man to die in a happier state. Drugs are also quite acceptable for a dying person in pain.
In all of these examples, I can think of circumstances that would lead an otherwise good person to commit them. I can even think of examples where the crime might be justifiable. I can think of no circumstances where rape would be justified. It's rather unique among crimes that way.
Someone has a gun to your loved ones head and says: 'if you don't rape the next person who walks through that door, i'm going to kill your loved one'
There, now we have a case where rape is, maybe not justified, but understandable.
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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