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Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission
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RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission
(December 12, 2014 at 8:47 am)robvalue Wrote: If he made me and made my life wonderful, and everyone else's, I would respect him. Maybe not worship, but I'd be very thankful and I'd not forget him.

I doubt you'd be thankful. More likely you'll become even more heedless of Him because now you have everything that you wanted. Now you're gonna be thinking of yourself as rich and self-sufficient.

This was a characteristic of the munafiqs (hypocrites) who used to make the same kind of promise as you did, i.e. that if only God made their lives wonderful by giving to them from His bounty, then surely they would become more thankful, righteous, and spend in charity. However, when He did give them from His bounty, they became stingy with it and instead turned away from God, thus breaking their promise.

"And among them are those who made a covenant with Allah, (saying), 'If He should give us from His bounty, we will surely spend in charity, and we will surely be among the righteous.' But when he gave them from His bounty, they were niggardly with it and turned back (from their covenant) and withdrew." (Surah 9:75-76)

Thus they only used their false promise as a shield in order to hide their true intentions and their opposition to God. It was used as a cloaking device under the guise of being a sincere promise.

"They have taken their oaths as a cover, so they turn away from the way of Allah." (Surah 63:02)

(December 12, 2014 at 8:47 am)robvalue Wrote: Worshipping is just weird, and why the hell would an omnipotent being require it? Or anything? A dead giveaway that it's another pile of crap.

No, He doesn't require our worship. Rather it is we who stand in need of Him.

"O mankind, it is you who stand in need of Allah, but Allah is the One Free of all wants, worthy of all praise." (Surah 35:15)

(December 12, 2014 at 8:47 am)robvalue Wrote: Are you defending enforced worship? I can't make any sense of what you wrote. Threats are threats. They are not love.

I didn't say that threats are love. What I explained was that God's threats/punishments are not incompatible with being able to love Him.

(December 12, 2014 at 8:47 am)robvalue Wrote: I have a series of videos that give you an idea why threats and free choice do not go together well. Please watch.

Well you do have the freedom to either submit or not to submit, which is, respectively, a choice between God's pleasure and His punishment.
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Messages In This Thread
Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by MysticKnight - December 2, 2014 at 10:32 pm
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Jenny A - December 2, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Jenny A - December 2, 2014 at 11:03 pm
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Exian - December 2, 2014 at 11:28 pm
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Jenny A - December 3, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by robvalue - December 3, 2014 at 4:12 am
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Rayaan - December 3, 2014 at 4:23 am
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by robvalue - December 3, 2014 at 4:29 am
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Minimalist - December 10, 2014 at 1:47 am
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by MysticKnight - December 11, 2014 at 10:02 pm
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Minimalist - December 12, 2014 at 12:41 am
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Rayaan - December 12, 2014 at 7:28 am
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Chas - December 12, 2014 at 9:04 am
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Whateverist - December 11, 2014 at 10:11 pm
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by paulpablo - December 12, 2014 at 12:29 am
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 4:32 am
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 8:47 am
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Rayaan - December 12, 2014 at 6:11 pm
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 6:36 pm
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by Rayaan - December 12, 2014 at 8:42 pm
RE: Love, valuing, appreciating vs Submission - by robvalue - December 13, 2014 at 6:35 am



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