(December 18, 2014 at 9:39 am)Riketto Wrote: At the moment all you evidence is worthless.I am not offering any evidence. I am pointing out that your evidence is worthless. And your response still did not even attempt to address my point, which is: if your evidence can only be achieved in a manner that cannot be demonstrated to anyone outside of the self, then the only way to give it any merit is if everyone who went "the spiritual route" would report the same experiences and discoveries. And it's pretty clear that this isn't the case.
Your response to this appears to be the old "well, anyone who comes to a different conclusion didn't do it right" argument. But since they can offer up the same argument to dismiss your experiences and discoveries, you're still at square one. None of you are able to provide any credible evidence of what you believe, and you demand a courtesy that you will not extend to one another. Which was the basis of Steven Roberts comment that we are both non-believers; I simply subscribe to one fewer 'god' than you do.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould