RE: Is free will real?
December 24, 2014 at 10:01 pm
(This post was last modified: December 24, 2014 at 10:02 pm by Mudhammam.)
I'm jumping into this conversation without scanning the prior 10 pages, so hopefully I won't repeat what has already been said. But basically Benny, I think you misrepresent what "real" is meant to imply even if our subjective experiences don't often, or even ever, fully ascertain it. Say for example we both walk outside our house and pass a dog. Those experiences will be entirely different in detail. You showered beforehand, I didn't, so the wind feels cooler to you, while I complain of the humidity. I owned a dog as a child so strong emotions of nostalgia overcome me, you're concerned only with getting to the theater before the show starts. Our brains pick up different signals, we ignore others, and our experience of reality in that moment may vastly differ.
None of this detracts from what is "real," or "objective." It only demonstrates the infinite possibilities that exist. Both are true accounts in their respects.
With regards to free will, I don't even understand what it would mean granted determinism or indeterminism. Either way, prior conditions change those in the present, of which we have no inherent freedom at any step because we did not control the steps that led to our current position, and we must keep moving forward regardless, almost blind to what happens next. What is a will? It is character. How does character develop? Through experience.
None of this detracts from what is "real," or "objective." It only demonstrates the infinite possibilities that exist. Both are true accounts in their respects.
With regards to free will, I don't even understand what it would mean granted determinism or indeterminism. Either way, prior conditions change those in the present, of which we have no inherent freedom at any step because we did not control the steps that led to our current position, and we must keep moving forward regardless, almost blind to what happens next. What is a will? It is character. How does character develop? Through experience.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza